D1 college soccer under threat

I was fortunate enough to travel to Manchester with my DD recently. She was able to be a mascot at a Man U game. It was an incredible experience.
Anyways... We went to a Man U Women's game. Attendance was right around 800 people (at less than 10.00 a ticket).
Attended the Man U Men's game. Attendance was 70,000 + (And the tickets were just a tad more that 10.00 ea.).

So yeah...
 
JumboJack said:
I was fortunate enough to travel to Manchester with my DD recently. She was able to be a mascot at a Man U game. It was an incredible experience.
Anyways... We went to a Man U Women's game. Attendance was right around 800 people (at less than 10.00 a ticket).
Attended the Man U Men's game. Attendance was 70,000 + (And the tickets were just a tad more that 10.00 ea.).

So yeah...
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Good point. But do you know it’s like that because I think traditionally the British were the most sexist in the world. Sexism was even in the laws. Women couldn’t even pass citizenship to their children.

I remember reading something about women’s football in England and Mexico doing better then the men’s game in both countries and then women were subsequently outlawed from playing.
So, the issue isn’t the viability of the women’s game but rather how do we remedy the ills of the past while moving forward.
 
viability is THE question for the women’s game. How do you pay a decent salary on 7,000 tickets and no TV contract?

Right now, they can keep players by using the WNT roster as a carrot. Same theory as using the YNT roster to prop up DA. And it will work equally well long term.
 
MacDre said:
Uh...we’re talking about soccer.
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That’s what I thought. You are making my point for me...my daughter is not a soccer savant, top 1%, or whatever. She works hard, competes, and takes it very serious. She has fun with it.

Soccer is something my daughter does, not who she is. It’s a hobby. A thing. If she has the opportunity to play in college, she will then have quite a few years left to play competitively and have fun with the sport, teammates and friends...be a kid for as long as you can do those kid things before entering the big bad world.

Then 60+ years to live her life and follow her personal and career dreams and most importantly start and build a family of her own. Her life and her journey. Soccer is not in her “dreams”...she wants to do a lot of things in her life but playing professional soccer is not among them.

Being limited in opportunities for soccer, or growth opportunities in soccer, or the optimal training environment for soccer does not even resonate or register with me. Soccer is not life, it’s a kids game...it’s a fun activity, but as a team sport I do find it very rewarding and think there is immeasurable value in playing competitive team sports as a youth and that includes college.

If your argument is that if she had better things soccer wise - opportunities, training, growth, etc. than maybe she might develop into something she is not currently and then may want to play pro...Sure, I can get there and see how you get to that point. I agree we all improve with better education/training, opportunities, etc. I just hope my daughter has bigger dreams than chasing a $50k paycheck.
 
MacDre said:
My kid will go to Cal. She could also attend UCSD. But, the new CEO of USSF went to one (most would say only) of the Mexican schools and he’s doing fine. A degree from Tec is very portable.
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I may have mis-understood you...I thought you said your DD was going to graduate from University at 18...do you mean graduate from Cal or UCSD at 18? Cal or UCSD for Grad-School?
 
Woobie06 said:
That’s what I thought. You are making my point for me...my daughter is not a soccer savant, top 1%, or whatever. She works hard, competes, and takes it very serious. She has fun with it.

Soccer is something my daughter does, not who she is. It’s a hobby. A thing. If she has the opportunity to play in college, she will then have quite a few years left to play competitively and have fun with the sport, teammates and friends...be a kid for as long as you can do those kid things before entering the big bad world.

Then 60+ years to live her life and follow her personal and career dreams and most importantly start and build a family of her own. Her life and her journey. Soccer is not in her “dreams”...she wants to do a lot of things in her life but playing professional soccer is not among them.

Being limited in opportunities for soccer, or growth opportunities in soccer, or the optimal training environment for soccer does not even resonate or register with me. Soccer is not life, it’s a kids game...it’s a fun activity, but as a team sport I do find it very rewarding and think there is immeasurable value in playing competitive team sports as a youth and that includes college.

If your argument is that if she had better things soccer wise - opportunities, training, growth, etc. than maybe she might develop into something she is not currently and then may want to play pro...Sure, I can get there and see how you get to that point. I agree we all improve with better education/training, opportunities, etc. I just hope my daughter has bigger dreams than chasing a $50k paycheck.
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So why not AYSO or the cheapest option? Why are you paying for fancy, elite, & competitive club soccer? I detect well written BS!
 
dad4 said:
viability is THE question for the women’s game. How do you pay a decent salary on 7,000 tickets and no TV contract?

Right now, they can keep players by using the WNT roster as a carrot. Same theory as using the YNT roster to prop up DA. And it will work equally well long term.
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The TV contact is the problem and it shouldn’t be but for institutionalized sexism. I see women’s games regularly on TV in Mexico. Same thing in Spain when I was there.
 
MacDre said:
So why not AYSO or the cheapest option? Why are you paying for fancy, elite, & competitive club soccer? I detect well written BS!
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Haha...Thanks for the compliment. Much appreciated. To be honest, she is playing where she wants to play. Fortunately we can make it work, and don’t mind the travel. Our family has a lot of fun with the whole thing. Where the teams have traveled to play the last few years we have family and friends - Phx, OC, SD, Vegas, No Cal and even FL, NC, and CO. The social aspect for our family is a lot of fun. We actually have reconnected with some people we have not seen in a long time and see some more often than we used to. It’s been good.

What do you think my truth is if what I wrote is BS? Your’s, well I think you enjoy stirring it up a bit and having fun doing it. There is no shortage of willing participants because people are locked up and bored (god knows I’ve been on here more than ever the last few weeks). It’s fun and I have spent time doing worse things. :)
 
Woobie06 said:
Haha...Thanks for the compliment. Much appreciated. To be honest, she is playing where she wants to play. Fortunately we can make it work, and don’t mind the travel. Our family has a lot of fun with the whole thing. Where the teams have traveled to play the last few years we have family and friends - Phx, OC, SD, Vegas, No Cal and even FL, NC, and CO. The social aspect for our family is a lot of fun. We actually have reconnected with some people we have not seen in a long time and see some more often than we used to. It’s been good.

What do you think my truth is if what I wrote is BS? Your’s, well I think you enjoy stirring it up a bit and having fun doing it. There is no shortage of willing participants because people are locked up and bored (god knows I’ve been on here more than ever the last few weeks). It’s fun and I have spent time doing worse things. :)
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Okay. You got me.
 
Ellejustus said:
Hey bro, I'm good at playing "Me and MacDre." I learned the hood by going down to South Central to see MacDre every week when we were little guys. I would go down from Laguna and have plays dates at the park with him and his friends all the time. In fact, I found a pic of my mom helping out one of MacDres cousins.

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LMFAO! Yep. Can’t take you serious anymore. Will have to gloss over posts from both.
 
MacDre said:
The TV contact is the problem and it shouldn’t be but for institutionalized sexism. I see women’s games regularly on TV in Mexico. Same thing in Spain when I was there.
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I’ll bite...c’mon...institutionalized sexism...really...now I know you are just having fun with people.

They show NWSL Games on Lifetime...USWNT on ESPN and ABC. For the USWNT, the ad rev, sponsorship support, and ratings support the content on the major networks. For NWSL not so much. It’s why the Super Bowl is not on ESPN 8 “The Ocho” and on a Major Network during Primetime. Programming is determined by $$$. It’s not Institutionalized Sexism, it’s because the product does not generate the ratings, $$$, or sponsorship.
 
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Woobie06 said:
I’ll bite...c’mon...institutionalized sexism...really...now I know you are just having fun with people.

They show NWSL Games on Lifetime...USWNT on ESPN and ABC. For the USWNT, the ad rev, sponsorship support, and ratings support the content on the major networks. For NWSL not so much. It’s why the Super Bowl is not on ESPN 8 “The Ocho” and on a Major Network during Primetime. Programming is determined by $$$. It’s not Institutionalized Sexism, it’s because the product does not generate the ratings, $$$, or sponsorship.
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The product isn’t generating money due to structural barriers to entrance in the past. In other words, if women’s soccer would’ve been supported equally for the same amount of time as men it would be very successful currently.
Laws were enacted to exclude women from the game and a prevailing mindset that women belong in the kitchen and the bedroom. And don’t forget real men kept their bitches barefooted, pregnant, and walking like a duck. To deny the impact these factors are having on women’s soccer is dishonest.
 
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