D1 college soccer under threat

The Outlaw said:
Of course he gets hacked. All the best attackers get hacked. Neymar goes down and makes "I just got hit by sniper fire" faces everytime. If you asked 100 people who the worst 'diver' is, Neymar gets 95 votes. There's no glory in that.
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I love watching him play. Emotional players appeal to me for some reason
 
The Outlaw said:
How old was she when she wasn't getting scouted, Dre, and why would you expect her to in Tijuana?
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Yes my kid started receiving attention early. I expect my kid to be scouted because she plays regularly approximately 30 minutes away from the Olympic training center in Chula Vista; they went to Europe for Sergino Dest! I expect her to be scouted because she made a professional roster at 12. I expect her to be scouted because she’s a talented US citizen-her father, grandfather, and uncle are Marine Corps vets. I expect her to be scouted because I’m being told she’s really good. I expect her to be scouted so I don’t let my kid play for another country that IS scouting her. I expect her to be scouted because at 12 she had exceeded the accomplishments of a 13 year old that was playing up on a YNT.
 
MacDre said:
Yes my kid started receiving attention early. I expect my kid to be scouted because she plays regularly approximately 30 minutes away from the Olympic training center in Chula Vista; they went to Europe for Sergino Dest! I expect her to be scouted because she made a professional roster at 12. I expect her to be scouted because she’s a talented US citizen-her father, grandfather, and uncle are Marine Corps vets. I expect her to be scouted because I’m being told she’s really good. I expect her to be scouted so I don’t let my kid play for another country that IS scouting her. I expect her to be scouted because at 12 she had exceeded the accomplishments of a 13 year old that was playing up on a YNT.
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How could she play for another country unless she is a dual citizen or/and has a mother or grandparents of the decent. Christian Pulisic has dual Citizenship. Julian Green, Sydney Lerouix are also dual citizens as is Omar Gonzalez who played in Liga MX.
 
vegasguy said:
How could she play for another country unless she is a dual citizen or/and has a mother or grandparents of the decent. Christian Pulisic has dual Citizenship. Julian Green, Sydney Lerouix are also dual citizens as is Omar Gonzalez who played in Liga MX.
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From my side my kid qualifies for 5 different National teams. And potentially 2 more on her mother’s side, for a total of 7 different teams.
 
vegasguy said:
Thank you for the clarification i truly appreciate that and the kind words.

For debate purposes you did say there is no place for college soccer above the club level. You will miss out on doctors and lawyers and teachers who pulled themselves out their neighborhoods and found good mentors in college if they are only playing club level. I do not have numbers as club v college has never been studied but on one of my squads I can say that if they can not play college soccer they will most likely not have the means to go or the want to go. Club sports are paid and funded by the players. Intramural sports are free but different too.

America does have a style but we have lost our way. Not sure if you remember the 94 team, the 98, 02, team 06, & 10 and even 14 to a point. We are gritty, we defend and counter.. we do not possess like others and do not have the on the ball skill with a full team that others do but we have our style. We are adrift because everyone gets caught up we need to play more this way so we bring in players from Germany... or we need to play more Latin players because it is in their culture.. I do not deny we need to bring in our best but we need to bring in our best and play our way. Million ways to skin a cat.

It is not always pretty but not every La Liga or Serie A team plays pretty. Watch the ANC and you will not be watching pretty soccer but you will see pretty players. we have very very talented players but we are so caught up in the next Messi we lose our way. Be the next them.. Marta actually said that best.

I am a possession wanting to play out of the back coach. Others may disagree. The other team can not score if they do not have the ball but there are times you need to get past your own philosophy and change a bit to have success. I most recently told a squad do you want to be Arianna Grande or Meltallica. They got the point and really picked it up and before the end of it all this year we had hit our stride and had high hopes in the final four of state cup. Metallica is not always pretty but trust me their style is definitely effective and there is beauty in a mosh pit and a stage dive.

Hiding your daughter from a style whether you like it or not is not always the best. Tobin Heath has flair.. brash confidence and is setting you up for her next nutmeg.. you may not like it but it is awesome.. we all see the Ronaldino flair and successes.. you do not see the thousands of times it did not come off. Many would rather watch Messi but me.. I liked Inesta better. Give me Oliver Kahn over Ederson any day. We all have our opinions of beauty or most of us would still be single.

Lastly, no one is making excuses for skill or say it is ok to suck as long as you play with passion. We are competitive and want to win it is in our nature. The true soccer culture is not complacent in our desire to build better soccer and we are frustrated that the needle is not being moved faster. But we also are realists and know the managers of the pyramid may be the one making it crumble.
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As a coach, isn't it ultimately your goal to develop a player(s) that are so techically sound that they can play any style? In my estimation, the best way to create extremely technical players is to bring them up in a possession based program. If they exist in those environments from an early age, aren't they presumably better off, in terms of their ability to plug in anywhere? I'm not telling, I'm asking...
 
MacDre said:
Thanks. And for the record, I’m not talking trash about her. I have heard great things about her. I was just disappointed by her world cup performance. I also think I lost credibility with my kid because we specifically went to Lyon to see Heath and were both disappointed with her overall performance.

I am also new to soccer so I am not sure if I am evaluating Heath using the proper metrics. I get that players go in and out of form.
Are players like Heath rare? What distinguishes her from other wingers? Is there a game w/Heath that you could recommend I watch?
Why is an advanced winger/forward playing “box to box?”
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She's very creative and so sound on the ball that she's always willing to take 1,2,3 defenders on to breakdown the defensive. Sometimes that doesn't work out, but that goes for anyone who plays that way. Also, the way the USWNT plays, everyone attacks and everyone defends...especially the wingers, so they are going to run goal to goal the whole game.
 
vegasguy said:
Explain in heritage terms. Not saying it is not true just want the math.
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Born in Berkeley-USA;
Lived in Mexico 8 yrs-Mexico;
Bahamian/British decent—Bahamas;
British otherwise than by descent and qualifies for Scotland and England-decendant of the first puritan settlers. Raheem Sterling of England, Alana Cook USA/England (possibly), and Wendy Reinard of France are examples of people from the West Indies with ties to Europe.

My wife is French Canadian. So I think she qualifies for France and Canada too.
 
The Outlaw said:
I've actually started seeing some officials pull a yellow for 'dangerous play' even though there was no contact made. It's the intent was malicious, card comes out. Seems as though I'm also seeing more yellows given, too, once the ball is dead... sometimes 20-30 seconds later... because the fouled player maintained advantage. That's one I don't remember seeing much of before.
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This is a good trend
 
MacDre said:
Yes my kid started receiving attention early. I expect my kid to be scouted because she plays regularly approximately 30 minutes away from the Olympic training center in Chula Vista; they went to Europe for Sergino Dest! I expect her to be scouted because she made a professional roster at 12. I expect her to be scouted because she’s a talented US citizen-her father, grandfather, and uncle are Marine Corps vets. I expect her to be scouted because I’m being told she’s really good. I expect her to be scouted so I don’t let my kid play for another country that IS scouting her. I expect her to be scouted because at 12 she had exceeded the accomplishments of a 13 year old that was playing up on a YNT.
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I am confused about where you kid is playing. Also many of the kids that are great at 12 are not great after puberty or they lose interest when boys or HS activities come along.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
I am confused about where you kid is playing. Also many of the kids that are great at 12 are not great after puberty or they lose interest when boys or HS activities come along.
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My kid ain’t great but coaches see something in her. She plays for the official Club Tijuana Fuerzas Basicas U15 squad and is preparing to make a first team debut around 15.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
I am confused about where you kid is playing. Also many of the kids that are great at 12 are not great after puberty or they lose interest when boys or HS activities come along.
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She's a stud, ((yes, I've seen her play and @Luis Andres #2 has some work today if wants to go pro too)) like my kid and other kids like OM and AT, and AC, SS, MP and all the other greats. 2%ters are what their called and his goat is obviously one them. He's a smart dad. Question dads: Who would put their top player goat through this meat grinder in Socal? This is appalling and disturbing all in one and I'm embarrassed I spent so much time and money sometimes. Let's applaud the Lad and his dd for wanting to go pro. Go Pro all the way!!!!
 
MacDre said:
Born in Berkeley-USA;
Lived in Mexico 8 yrs-Mexico;
Bahamian/British decent—Bahamas;
British otherwise than by descent and qualifies for Scotland and England-decendant of the first puritan settlers. Raheem Sterling of England, Alana Cook USA/England (possibly), and Wendy Reinard of France are examples of people from the West Indies with ties to Europe.

My wife is French Canadian. So I think she qualifies for France and Canada too.
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By FIFA definition your math is wrong. If your wife is Canadian born there or her parents are, then yes she has Canada ties. Unless either of her parents are from France being born there, France is out. Born in Berkley- USA is in. Define Bahamian decent but appears they are out and the bigger picture if she is that good "why". Ties as you say are based on relative blood back to grandparents. My son's grandparents were both born in America. There parents were born in other countries so FIFA does not care. I am of decent of two countries based on both sets of Great Grandparents but FIFA would not allow me to switch there. Now Mexico, FIFA allows education before the age of 18 (minimum 5yrs). So Canada, Mexico and USA (with possible France by grand parents). Birth by FIFA definition ends at Grand-Parents not settlers of a location.

Alana Cook's (American Born) dad is British thus England not Scotland or any other UK. Raheem Sterling is Jamaican Born educated in other countries including England qualifies for Home Nations. Wendie Renard was born in Martinique a protected territory of France and thus of France decent. Similar to how a Puerto Rican born player would be eligible to play for US. French Canada is not a protected territory of France.

I may be wrong in this interpretation of the FIFA rules so please correct me if so. Your daughter qualifies for a few countries but I would implore you to possibly do more research.
 
Ellejustus said:
She's a stud, ((yes, I've seen her play and @Luis Andres #2 has some work today if wants to go pro too)) like my kid and other kids like OM and AT, and AC, SS, MP and all the other greats. 2%ters are what their called and his goat is obviously one them. He's a smart dad. Question dads: Who would put their top player goat through this meat grinder in Socal? This is appalling and disturbing all in one and I'm embarrassed I spent so much time and money sometimes. Let's applaud the Lad and his dd for wanting to go pro. Go Pro all the way!!!!
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I just struggle tremendously with this. Your kids haven't even hit the age yet that acl's become all too common, or burnout, or boy's, or a dozen other things that get in the way (like puberty). Even MAP's kid who is a beast of a player used soccer to leverage getting an excellent degree from UCLA and he has posted that she is studying for the LSAT. And she is an actual pro player.

Don't take me wrong. I think it is great that you are all so proud of your daughters. I don't doubt they are beasts for their age and I am glad your are encouraging their dreams. But there is a long, long way between now and then.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
I just struggle tremendously with this. Your kids haven't even hit the age yet that acl's become all too common, or burnout, or boy's, or a dozen other things that get in the way (like puberty). Even MAP's kid who is a beast of a player used soccer to leverage getting an excellent degree from UCLA and he has posted that she is studying for the LSAT. And she is an actual pro player.

Don't take me wrong. I think it is great that you are all so proud of your daughters. I don't doubt they are beasts for their age and I am glad your are encouraging their dreams. But there is a long, long way between now and then.
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I know you are struggling, that's why I wrote what I did. My kid was saved from three years of over use. My dd had not played in the playoffs now for three years. not because she didn;t want to either. She is in the best shape of her life. It's her dream Simi, accept that and be happy for her and me. Why do you even care? Your dds are doing what they want, let mine do what she wants. Stop struggling bro and encourage others with a dream. Again, I came on her because my dd had a dream and______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________so on and so on. Thanks for being open about your struggles with us. It helps me understand you way more. Poor guy, I fee for you. Come on Francis or Francine, get over it and root your fellow Americans on.
 
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Okay, EJ, stop man! Come on! I don’t have to know you or your DD to know that she’s NOT in the top 1 or 2% along with all those 2 letter kids you list. You would not be having such an issue with any of the typical BS. She’d be on easy street, catered to and set up. Been there and seen it happen, more than once. I’ll bet she’s high caliber and alll that, but please. I wish her all the success that she’s hoping for and is willing to work for. Here’s something I told my girls when they were young and repeated to them every so often, so that it became part of their mindset,......”Within all of us, there’s a will to succeed. But, not all have the will to prepare for it. It’s those that do, that achieve and get the most out of success”. Credit goes to Coach Bobby Knight on that one. I’m not at all a basketball player, but loved this quote.

Don’t put her on a pedestal, let others do that. Or let her climb it herself. JMO
 
Kicknit22 said:
Okay, EJ, stop man! Come on! I don’t have to know you or your DD to know that she’s NOT in the top 1 or 2% along with all those 2 letter kids you list. You would not be having such an issue with any of the typical BS. She’d be on easy street, catered to and set up. Been there and seen it happen, more than once. I’ll bet she’s high caliber and alll that, but please. I wish her all the success that she’s hoping for and is willing to work for. Here’s something I told my girls when they were young and repeated to them every so often, so that it became part of their mindset,......”Within all of us, there’s a will to succeed. But, not all have the will to prepare for it. It’s those that do, that achieve and get the most out of success”. Credit goes to Coach Bobby Knight on that one. I’m not at all a basketball player, but loved this quote.

Don’t put her on a pedestal, let others do that. Or let her climb it herself. JMO
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First of all, I think she's in the top 10% for her age. I also think she could be in the top 2% for her age group if she played against all the top players in her age group. Now, if you think, I think, she's top 1% or 2% in this country of all the female soccer players then your smoking crack bro. I never said that. She just hasn;t been eliminated yet imo. She still has a little something, something in the tank if you know what I mean.
 
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