D1 college soccer under threat

dad4 said:
If you want people. to stop flopping, we need to teach refs to call the fouls.

Current guidelines and training give preference to keeping game flow at the expense of penalizing fouls. At higher levels, not much gets called. It’s rough on kids who play up.

As AR, I’ve talked to more than one ref who explained that he didn’t call the foul because the player didn’t fall. He saw the trip or push, agreed it was a trip or push. We both agreed there was no advantage. But, because the player kept their balance, he allowed it.

In effect, the rule is “no flop, no whistle”. So people flop.
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I've actually started seeing some officials pull a yellow for 'dangerous play' even though there was no contact made. It's the intent was malicious, card comes out. Seems as though I'm also seeing more yellows given, too, once the ball is dead... sometimes 20-30 seconds later... because the fouled player maintained advantage. That's one I don't remember seeing much of before.
 
dad4 said:
If you want people. to stop flopping, we need to teach refs to call the fouls.

Current guidelines and training give preference to keeping game flow at the expense of penalizing fouls. At higher levels, not much gets called. It’s rough on kids who play up.

As AR, I’ve talked to more than one ref who explained that he didn’t call the foul because the player didn’t fall. He saw the trip or push, agreed it was a trip or push. We both agreed there was no advantage. But, because the player kept their balance, he allowed it.

In effect, the rule is “no flop, no whistle”. So people flop.
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If you can stay on your feet play through. LOTG are interpretations/guidelines to keep the flow of the game going. I am of the belief of stay on your feet if you can. A flop is that phantom touch. I think I posted videos. HR's should be more diligent in calling the phantom touch foul. But if they call everyone of those they must call every touch. The game needs a flow. I appreciate the ref that allows a flow and does not need to be at the forefront of a match.
 
vegasguy said:
If you can stay on your feet play through. LOTG are interpretations/guidelines to keep the flow of the game going. I am of the belief of stay on your feet if you can. A flop is that phantom touch. I think I posted videos. HR's should be more diligent in calling the phantom touch foul. But if they call everyone of those they must call every touch. The game needs a flow. I appreciate the ref that allows a flow and does not need to be at the forefront of a match.
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I'm talking about the box too brah. That is what I call the money box. Sell it and get a goal :)
 
ST. EDWARD’S UNIVERSITY DISCONTINUES SIX ATHLETICS PROGRAMS IN RESPONSE TO ECONOMIC IMPACTS OF CORONAVIRUS



AUSTIN - As the effects of the coronavirus continue to impact every sector of the economy, higher education is no exception. Along with other universities across the country, St. Edward's is making difficult, but financially sound decisions for the future of our institution. At the end of the spring semester, the university is discontinuing six athletic programs: men's and women's tennis, men's and women's golf and men's soccer. Cheer will be transitioned to a club team under the guidance of the RecWell Department.

"I am deeply grateful to the coaches who have worked diligently over the years to build nationally recognized and well-respected programs. The coaches and student-athletes in these programs are talented and hard-working, and I respect them immensely," said Debbie Taylor, associate vice president for Athletics. "As we make this difficult transition, I know that all of our coaches and staff members have our student-athletes as a top priority and will work closely with them to support their needs."

All scholarship-eligible student-athletes impacted by this reduction will have their athletic scholarships honored for the duration of their undergraduate enrollment at St. Edward's. Those wishing to transfer and compete at another institution will be given their full and immediate release.

These decisions follow a comprehensive evaluation of the athletics program including sport sponsorship, state of available facilities, cost of running programs and future enrollment expectations. The university is committed to providing our student-athletes an environment of academic excellence, quality facilities and opportunities to compete and achieve at the highest levels. This immediate action to redistribute financial resources allows the university to continue programing for: men's and women's basketball, men's and women's cross country, men's and women's track, women's soccer, volleyball, baseball, softball and esports.

With these remaining teams, the university's athletics program remains in compliance with NCAA DII and Lone Star Conference membership requirements of sport sponsorship. We continue our commitment to support gender equity in athletics and empowering student-athletes to reach their maximum potential in academic success, athletic competition and personal development.
 
Ellejustus said:
and no one hacks Ney? He just cries more and that is part of who he is. It goes on all the time, especially with dads on tier 3 teams......lighten up Lester........:)
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Of course he gets hacked. All the best attackers get hacked. Neymar goes down and makes "I just got hit by sniper fire" faces everytime. If you asked 100 people who the worst 'diver' is, Neymar gets 95 votes. There's no glory in that.
 
The Outlaw said:
Of course he gets hacked. All the best attackers get hacked. Neymar goes down and makes "I just got hit by sniper fire" faces everytime. If you asked 100 people who the worst 'diver' is, Neymar gets 95 votes. There's no glory in that.
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I love watching him play. Emotional players appeal to me for some reason
 
The Outlaw said:
How old was she when she wasn't getting scouted, Dre, and why would you expect her to in Tijuana?
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Yes my kid started receiving attention early. I expect my kid to be scouted because she plays regularly approximately 30 minutes away from the Olympic training center in Chula Vista; they went to Europe for Sergino Dest! I expect her to be scouted because she made a professional roster at 12. I expect her to be scouted because she’s a talented US citizen-her father, grandfather, and uncle are Marine Corps vets. I expect her to be scouted because I’m being told she’s really good. I expect her to be scouted so I don’t let my kid play for another country that IS scouting her. I expect her to be scouted because at 12 she had exceeded the accomplishments of a 13 year old that was playing up on a YNT.
 
MacDre said:
Yes my kid started receiving attention early. I expect my kid to be scouted because she plays regularly approximately 30 minutes away from the Olympic training center in Chula Vista; they went to Europe for Sergino Dest! I expect her to be scouted because she made a professional roster at 12. I expect her to be scouted because she’s a talented US citizen-her father, grandfather, and uncle are Marine Corps vets. I expect her to be scouted because I’m being told she’s really good. I expect her to be scouted so I don’t let my kid play for another country that IS scouting her. I expect her to be scouted because at 12 she had exceeded the accomplishments of a 13 year old that was playing up on a YNT.
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How could she play for another country unless she is a dual citizen or/and has a mother or grandparents of the decent. Christian Pulisic has dual Citizenship. Julian Green, Sydney Lerouix are also dual citizens as is Omar Gonzalez who played in Liga MX.
 
vegasguy said:
How could she play for another country unless she is a dual citizen or/and has a mother or grandparents of the decent. Christian Pulisic has dual Citizenship. Julian Green, Sydney Lerouix are also dual citizens as is Omar Gonzalez who played in Liga MX.
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From my side my kid qualifies for 5 different National teams. And potentially 2 more on her mother’s side, for a total of 7 different teams.
 
vegasguy said:
Thank you for the clarification i truly appreciate that and the kind words.

For debate purposes you did say there is no place for college soccer above the club level. You will miss out on doctors and lawyers and teachers who pulled themselves out their neighborhoods and found good mentors in college if they are only playing club level. I do not have numbers as club v college has never been studied but on one of my squads I can say that if they can not play college soccer they will most likely not have the means to go or the want to go. Club sports are paid and funded by the players. Intramural sports are free but different too.

America does have a style but we have lost our way. Not sure if you remember the 94 team, the 98, 02, team 06, & 10 and even 14 to a point. We are gritty, we defend and counter.. we do not possess like others and do not have the on the ball skill with a full team that others do but we have our style. We are adrift because everyone gets caught up we need to play more this way so we bring in players from Germany... or we need to play more Latin players because it is in their culture.. I do not deny we need to bring in our best but we need to bring in our best and play our way. Million ways to skin a cat.

It is not always pretty but not every La Liga or Serie A team plays pretty. Watch the ANC and you will not be watching pretty soccer but you will see pretty players. we have very very talented players but we are so caught up in the next Messi we lose our way. Be the next them.. Marta actually said that best.

I am a possession wanting to play out of the back coach. Others may disagree. The other team can not score if they do not have the ball but there are times you need to get past your own philosophy and change a bit to have success. I most recently told a squad do you want to be Arianna Grande or Meltallica. They got the point and really picked it up and before the end of it all this year we had hit our stride and had high hopes in the final four of state cup. Metallica is not always pretty but trust me their style is definitely effective and there is beauty in a mosh pit and a stage dive.

Hiding your daughter from a style whether you like it or not is not always the best. Tobin Heath has flair.. brash confidence and is setting you up for her next nutmeg.. you may not like it but it is awesome.. we all see the Ronaldino flair and successes.. you do not see the thousands of times it did not come off. Many would rather watch Messi but me.. I liked Inesta better. Give me Oliver Kahn over Ederson any day. We all have our opinions of beauty or most of us would still be single.

Lastly, no one is making excuses for skill or say it is ok to suck as long as you play with passion. We are competitive and want to win it is in our nature. The true soccer culture is not complacent in our desire to build better soccer and we are frustrated that the needle is not being moved faster. But we also are realists and know the managers of the pyramid may be the one making it crumble.
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As a coach, isn't it ultimately your goal to develop a player(s) that are so techically sound that they can play any style? In my estimation, the best way to create extremely technical players is to bring them up in a possession based program. If they exist in those environments from an early age, aren't they presumably better off, in terms of their ability to plug in anywhere? I'm not telling, I'm asking...
 
MacDre said:
Thanks. And for the record, I’m not talking trash about her. I have heard great things about her. I was just disappointed by her world cup performance. I also think I lost credibility with my kid because we specifically went to Lyon to see Heath and were both disappointed with her overall performance.

I am also new to soccer so I am not sure if I am evaluating Heath using the proper metrics. I get that players go in and out of form.
Are players like Heath rare? What distinguishes her from other wingers? Is there a game w/Heath that you could recommend I watch?
Why is an advanced winger/forward playing “box to box?”
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She's very creative and so sound on the ball that she's always willing to take 1,2,3 defenders on to breakdown the defensive. Sometimes that doesn't work out, but that goes for anyone who plays that way. Also, the way the USWNT plays, everyone attacks and everyone defends...especially the wingers, so they are going to run goal to goal the whole game.
 
vegasguy said:
Explain in heritage terms. Not saying it is not true just want the math.
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Born in Berkeley-USA;
Lived in Mexico 8 yrs-Mexico;
Bahamian/British decent—Bahamas;
British otherwise than by descent and qualifies for Scotland and England-decendant of the first puritan settlers. Raheem Sterling of England, Alana Cook USA/England (possibly), and Wendy Reinard of France are examples of people from the West Indies with ties to Europe.

My wife is French Canadian. So I think she qualifies for France and Canada too.
 
The Outlaw said:
I've actually started seeing some officials pull a yellow for 'dangerous play' even though there was no contact made. It's the intent was malicious, card comes out. Seems as though I'm also seeing more yellows given, too, once the ball is dead... sometimes 20-30 seconds later... because the fouled player maintained advantage. That's one I don't remember seeing much of before.
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This is a good trend
 
MacDre said:
Yes my kid started receiving attention early. I expect my kid to be scouted because she plays regularly approximately 30 minutes away from the Olympic training center in Chula Vista; they went to Europe for Sergino Dest! I expect her to be scouted because she made a professional roster at 12. I expect her to be scouted because she’s a talented US citizen-her father, grandfather, and uncle are Marine Corps vets. I expect her to be scouted because I’m being told she’s really good. I expect her to be scouted so I don’t let my kid play for another country that IS scouting her. I expect her to be scouted because at 12 she had exceeded the accomplishments of a 13 year old that was playing up on a YNT.
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I am confused about where you kid is playing. Also many of the kids that are great at 12 are not great after puberty or they lose interest when boys or HS activities come along.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
I am confused about where you kid is playing. Also many of the kids that are great at 12 are not great after puberty or they lose interest when boys or HS activities come along.
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My kid ain’t great but coaches see something in her. She plays for the official Club Tijuana Fuerzas Basicas U15 squad and is preparing to make a first team debut around 15.
 
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