Club soccer stuff that drive you nuts...

socalkdg said:
Head coaches don't get goalkeepers. Play out of the back, so she does. Defense makes bad touch and lose the ball, then she gets yelled out. How about teach better touches. Stay on your line, no, cover your 6, sorry meant the whole 18, oh wait, I mean our half of the field. Your in charge of how many in the wall, then they yell 4 in the wall.

Looking forward to college where her head coach is a former goalkeeper and she will have a full time goalkeeper coach talking to her constantly. Had a chance at camp for her to train and play with the current keepers and you can see the excitement for the game in her eyes again.
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Why do you think the problem is limited to keepers? Coming from an American Football (AF) background, I think clubs and colleges (maybe pros too) are understaffed because a head coach is trying to monitor and teach approximately 20 or more players in different positions simultaneously. In AF, practice is often broken down into positions with position specific coaches; offensive line, running backs, wide receivers, DB’s etc.

When I look at college rosters they look understaffed and I don’t see position specific coaches either!

Can someone please explain why soccer teams don’t have position specific coaches?
 
MacDre said:
Why do you think the problem is limited to keepers? Coming from an American Football (AF) background, I think clubs and colleges (maybe pros too) are understaffed because a head coach is trying to monitor and teach approximately 20 or more players in different positions simultaneously. In AF, practice is often broken down into positions with position specific coaches; offensive line, running backs, wide receivers, DB’s etc.

When I look at college rosters they look understaffed and I don’t see position specific coaches either!

Can someone please explain why soccer teams don’t have position specific coaches?
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1. $. Soccer doesn't have gridiron's football. The top flight 1 European clubs do....even going so far as to hire throw in specialists or corner/DFK specialists.
2. Unlike gridiron football, it's not easily broken up into defensive, offensive and special teams.
3. There is a position with a special coach: goalkeepers. But on anything less than the academy level, the goalkeeper coach rarely is in regular communication with the team head coach, doesn't usually attend team practices where some of the actual drills (such as corner/dfk/sweeping practice) is being done, and rarely ever attends games.
4. Soccer even in Europe is organized more hierarchical. The head coach is responsible for all strategy (even if he may be weaker in defense than offense, for example), and there aren't the time outs where specialist coaches can help and consult the coach. So if the throw in coach is telling the player to throw it backwards, but the head coach wants it down the line, it's a problem. American gridiron football is slower paced which lends it, like baseball, to more of a coaching team.
 
MacDre said:
Why do you think the problem is limited to keepers? Coming from an American Football (AF) background, I think clubs and colleges (maybe pros too) are understaffed because a head coach is trying to monitor and teach approximately 20 or more players in different positions simultaneously. In AF, practice is often broken down into positions with position specific coaches; offensive line, running backs, wide receivers, DB’s etc.

When I look at college rosters they look understaffed and I don’t see position specific coaches either!

Can someone please explain why soccer teams don’t have position specific coaches?
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Your observation that they are understaffed is totally accurate. Grace is right that the budget is the big difference. Even at high level colleges with "elite" soccer programs, the attention paid to GK's is laughable compared to American Football as you described. I think it's partly a thing with soccer culture as well that will eventually evolve. The European pro leagues took a long time coming around to recognizing the importance of specialized, position specific training for keepers, and it's starting to trickle down to youth soccer. My DD's college coach who has been at the college level for more than a decade, just now implemented a separate fitness test for GK's for the first time ever, which is something I've been soapboxing about ever since my kid started playing keeper. Why coaches make GK's do long distance running and 800's to the same standard as a field player never made a damn bit of sense to me. I can't believe more programs don't do the same.
 
Jamisfoes said:
Some kids deserved it?
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If you yell at kids because they deserve it, don’t turn around and complain that they didn’t show up to be yelled at the next day.

What did you think would happen? If you make people feel miserable, they’ll find better things to do with their time.
 
MacDre said:
Why do you think the problem is limited to keepers? Coming from an American Football (AF) background, I think clubs and colleges (maybe pros too) are understaffed because a head coach is trying to monitor and teach approximately 20 or more players in different positions simultaneously. In AF, practice is often broken down into positions with position specific coaches; offensive line, running backs, wide receivers, DB’s etc.

When I look at college rosters they look understaffed and I don’t see position specific coaches either!

Can someone please explain why soccer teams don’t have position specific coaches?
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I dont know the details of how American Football coaches are paid at the HS level- I "think" that a lot of the position coaches are paid very minimally.
The reason you dont see many club soccer teams with more than 1 coach is because that head coach is not willing to give up any of the money that they make. And the clubs can't charge enough to pay for more than 1 coach (heck - most coaches are coaching 3-4 teams).
 
dad4 said:
If you yell at kids because they deserve it, don’t turn around and complain that they didn’t show up to be yelled at the next day.

What did you think would happen? If you make people feel miserable, they’ll find better things to do with their time.
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If a kid continues to screw up after repeated warning not to do it, I don't have a problem with the coach raising his voice.
 
Jamisfoes said:
If a kid continues to screw up after repeated warning not to do it, I don't have a problem with the coach raising his voice.
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Guess it depends on what prompted the yelling or what you consider to be "screwing up". Is it goofing off or other behavior making it difficult for the coach to get their job done? That can be understandable, to a point.

Is it that the kid keeps missing a read, is out of position or taking bad touches? That's a different animal altogether. Now you're into teaching/learning and I've never seen a kid learn more by yelling at them, but I have seen them get upset, frustrated and want to quit whatever the activity is.

Also depends on what the content is of the yelling... "Push up!" or "open up!" are a lot different than "are you stupid?" or "what's wrong with you?"
If a kid or parent wants some time to consider whether they want to play for a coach who says/yells stuff like that, it's all good by me.
 
A new item that drives me nuts came up a few weeks ago: At a tournament, when the 2nd place parents (I won't say team since the kids do not normally have a say) don't have good sportsmanship to come together after the game during the medal ceremony.
We were all looking around and saw the parents about 40 feet away ignoring us while the kids were looking over. We waved them over and the parents declined while the kids started to walk over, and were stopped by the parents. Classless and teaches your kids the same.
 
timbuck said:
I dont know the details of how American Football coaches are paid at the HS level- I "think" that a lot of the position coaches are paid very minimally.
The reason you dont see many club soccer teams with more than 1 coach is because that head coach is not willing to give up any of the money that they make. And the clubs can't charge enough to pay for more than 1 coach (heck - most coaches are coaching 3-4 teams).
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This could be true but you need to look at this from two view points
Professional MLS clubs have 5 coaches on the field, coaching paid for by academy.
Smaller local clubs have one coach , lets say two max (assistant or older kid helping)
Smaller local club charges 3k per kid, meaning 54k a year from that team with 18 rostered
Obviously field rent take alot of that , but its not uncommon for a coach to be paid 11-1400 per team a month at club level.
so a coach can make 4k a month with 4 teams, is that far off from the truth????
 
NewUser27 said:
This could be true but you need to look at this from two view points
Professional MLS clubs have 5 coaches on the field, coaching paid for by academy.
Smaller local clubs have one coach , lets say two max (assistant or older kid helping)
Smaller local club charges 3k per kid, meaning 54k a year from that team with 18 rostered
Obviously field rent take alot of that , but its not uncommon for a coach to be paid 11-1400 per team a month at club level.
so a coach can make 4k a month with 4 teams, is that far off from the truth????
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I would run away from any coach who had 4 teams.
 
Cruzer said:
A new item that drives me nuts came up a few weeks ago: At a tournament, when the 2nd place parents (I won't say team since the kids do not normally have a say) don't have good sportsmanship to come together after the game during the medal ceremony.
We were all looking around and saw the parents about 40 feet away ignoring us while the kids were looking over. We waved them over and the parents declined while the kids started to walk over, and were stopped by the parents. Classless and teaches your kids the same.
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Do we really need a second place medal ceremony past U9?

But.....

Yes, its 2022 and its always snowing these days so it wouldn't surprise me if professional sports started to adopt a second place trophy ceremony and city parade
 
Chalklines said:
Do we really need a second place medal ceremony past U9?

But.....

Yes, its 2022 and its always snowing these days so it wouldn't surprise me if professional sports started to adopt a second place trophy ceremony and city parade
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Some adult championships have 3rd place playoffs. I don't know if the 4th-place team gets anything.
 
Cruzer said:
A new item that drives me nuts came up a few weeks ago: At a tournament, when the 2nd place parents (I won't say team since the kids do not normally have a say) don't have good sportsmanship to come together after the game during the medal ceremony.
We were all looking around and saw the parents about 40 feet away ignoring us while the kids were looking over. We waved them over and the parents declined while the kids started to walk over, and were stopped by the parents. Classless and teaches your kids the same.
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I'm going to make a wild guess here. Was the team any of the Slammers?
 
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