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oh canada said:
Not a fan of participation trophies, but that's irrelevant to doing butt's up.

Have no problem with dodgeball. There's a big difference between bending over and grabbing ankles in submission on a "stage" in front of teammates, making oneself a stationary target and hoping that balls kicked as hard as possible whizz past your ass vs. standing upright while looking at your opponent and being able to use your own athletic ability to jump, duck, bend or catch a thrown (much slower than a kick) ball. I wouldn't be surprised in today's world if a cellphone comes out during butt's up to capture the moment a girl gets her ass pegged so that it can be paired to a 2 Live Crew song and posted for the World to see just how much "fun" it was. It's wrong in so many ways. I don't expect all parents to realize it's wrong, but college coaches certainly should, and club/high school coaches should too.

Good memory. My issue with Alex Morgan was the entitled tone of her media remarks. Maybe that was written for her by PR reps or Nike? Have no problem with her setting a goal of being back, but she does not have the talent/skill imo to have a lock on the starting #9, especially not 6 weeks post-pregnancy. Alex Morgan is a lifestyle brand now, not the country's best striker brand, and Nike et al. will not allow their investment to be pushed aside, even if better players lie in wait (and they do).
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2 live crew fan, eh?
 
Is anyone aware of a girl injured from butts up? Not butt hurt, but actually hurt. No doubt there is a short range where it is conceivable, but the wrongness of the exercise is also inversely proportional to distance.
 
EOTL said:
Is anyone aware of a girl injured from butts up? Not butt hurt, but actually hurt. No doubt there is a short range where it is conceivable, but the wrongness of the exercise is also inversely proportional to distance.
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Are you aware of any Hispanic men, wearing lipstick and a dress, actually injured after being told they can’t use the restroom marked “ladies”? Or is the wrongness inversely proportionate to who you empathize with?

It’s amazing how your social justice only applies to gays and minorities.
 
Scott m Shurson said:
Are you aware of any Hispanic men, wearing lipstick and a dress, actually injured after being told they can’t use the restroom marked “ladies”? Or is the wrongness inversely proportionate to who you empathize with?

It’s amazing how your social justice only applies to gays and minorities.
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You’re really going pretty far out of the way to be racist and homophobic. But that’s why I’m here bigot.
 
full90 said:
As an athlete I would’ve laughed and joined in. My kids would all be fine with it. Laugh it off or whatever. But I do feel for the kid who wouldn’t feel comfortable or wouldn’t want to do it but would feel too scared to speak up or ask to not do it. For that kid’s sake we should retire these “games.” They aren’t important enough to keep.
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I am guessing that all these posters that are just fine with this "game" are dads. Think about it from a girls perspective - it is a sexualized pose. Unnecessary "game"
 
Scott m Shurson said:
Your “go to” is getting thin and dated.
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Racism and homophobia had always been thin and dated. Actually, that’s far too diplomatic. It’s pathetic. Your bigoted attitude is one of the main reason ls you have not done well in life. Mr. Can’t Walk Down a Ramp Because He S**ts His Pants gave you a brief reprieve, but its over.
 
EOTL said:
Racism and homophobia had always been thin and dated. Actually, that’s far too diplomatic. It’s pathetic. Your bigoted attitude is one of the main reason ls you have not done well in life. Mr. Can’t Walk Down a Ramp Because He S**ts His Pants gave you a brief reprieve, but its over.
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No, you are thin and dated. Your bullshit. Your bigoted attitude against women is as vile as anything anybody else has said here about anybody else.

I’ve actually done fairly well in life, unlike your effort to compose that sentence. If you want to insult me, have someone proof your work, fool. Babbling about some fucking ramp. Are you drunk or triggered, because you shit your pants on that post?
 
oh canada said:
Re the Cal Berkeley coach's behavior, I was recently reminded of this re UNC's Anson Dorrance:

I traveled back down to North Carolina in 2007 to watch Anson Dorrance put his team through preseason workouts...The losers in bogies (a 2v2 drill with a goalie) had to, as Dorrance put it, "bend over." They trudged into the goal area, turned their backs to the field, and put their hands on their ankles as teammates kicked soccer balls as hard as they could into their backsides. ---Warrior Girls, page 216
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I think part of the problem is people are being misled by the gratuitous description in the book. Salacious sells and here is some guys account of what he saw. It was obviously something new to this guy and wasn't familiar with the fairly common activity of "butts up" and he exaggerated the activity. To be honest I've never seen a coach suggest butts up, but kids do it all the time as a suggestion for the "loser" of some activity at practice. It's far from point blank shots "as hard as they could" and anyone who has seen butts up can attest that its not some "pseudo sexual dominance thing" as many of you are suggesting. Why you see it that way is probably a discussion for the Off Topic forum. You'd be really uncomfortable with my daughter's dance competitions... I haven't been exactly thrilled on occasion.
 
Scott m Shurson said:
I don’t disagree they’re different, but I think they’re only slightly different. If you’re wearing hockey pants and pads, they’re real different. In this case, in my mind, it’s humiliation, sexual or both. Boner or no boner. Do 18-year old girls/women really need either of those? It’s similar to what Neil has been accused of. If you’re playing at that level, what’s to be learned? I’m all for putting the freshman through their paces, which we used to call “hazing”, but I also think it must serve a purpose and I don’t see one here.
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Also, what if the girl has her period? So much could happen. Not acceptable. Run sprints, take shots to improve, whatever, this is unacceptable. It's done to humiliate and dominate. If the coach can't think of a better way to improve player performance he/she needs to be fired.
 
Have interacted with dozens of coaches, been involved in multiple teams and soccer environments at all ages and have never had a player involved in this “game”. It is not as common as everyone is saying here-
 
It was played more in the past. Most people have figured out that it is inappropriate and best not played.
 
Scott m Shurson said:
No, you are thin and dated. Your bullshit. Your bigoted attitude against women is as vile as anything anybody else has said here about anybody else.

I’ve actually done fairly well in life, unlike your effort to compose that sentence. If you want to insult me, have someone proof your work, fool. Babbling about some fucking ramp. Are you drunk or triggered, because you shit your pants on that post?
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There are 12 step programs for Magat bigot cultists like you. So much fun to see so much losing for y’all.
 
EOTL said:
There are 12 step programs for Magat bigot cultists like you. So much fun to see so much losing for y’all.
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Is that all you have in your quiver, Robin Hood? “Bigots, Racists and Magats”.

How stale and uninspiring. We’re you always the last kid picked during P.E.?
 
My thought is that his contact should not have been renewed a while ago. His record alone should not have supported him being the coach.

Cal should get into the tourney every year. Also if he has to go to those means to motivate players he is not recruiting the right players and fostering the right team environment for success.
 
Tyler Durden said:
My thought is that his contact should not have been renewed a while ago. His record alone should not have supported him being the coach.

Cal should get into the tourney every year. Also if he has to go to those means to motivate players he is not recruiting the right players and fostering the right team environment for success.
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Berkeley's women's soccer Graduation Success Rate has been in the bottom half of PAC-12 for years.

I know, it's a tough school.
 
I agree that Cal soccer should be better, but by how much and why? The issue seems to be more with the department itself maybe? In women’s sports, Soccer seems to be one of the best in their department, if not the best. Basketball is winless this year and just terrible in general. Softball is around .500 and average at best. Volleyball is also awful. If he should be fired based on performance, pretty much every single women’s sports head coaches should be fired at Cal.
 
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