Cal Berkeley Coach (women) abusive

watfly said:
Truth be told, I'm not so much embarrassed as I just keep it on the DL, because it always leads to a bunch of questions due to my personal profile. I'll say this, my college's football team typically outranked yours, but they we're usually playing with mostly 25 year olds. ;)
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they had some exciting teams in that era, if I can decipher the clues, Young man.
 
I'm going to take the weekend off. Unless we have breaking news I'll see you all Sunday night. Be nice to the girls you guys. They deserve to be treated better then they have been. Let's all get real. Peace out!!!
 
MacDre said:
If I recall correctly, your method is precisely what Neil did in at least one instance. One young lady is complaining because Neil benched her and told her that she’d never play again. The young lady refused to leave and said it was humiliating that she was the only one that didn’t play.

I think you are proving my point of the difficulty of delivering bad news and crushing dreams.
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I think you are missing the point. A coach should not be telling a player she'd never play again. A coach should be telling a player how to improve their performance to earn playing time.

I am astounded that so many people think that all of the 20 something women that came forward did so because of nothing. A coach should be creating an environment that attracts players. Neil has failed at that.
 
crush said:
The Docs said she could go pro, not me. I was playing satire on here like I always do Coach. My dd is going to college, just not sure she will be playing soccer. She can still go and cheer on the football team and girls soccer team, right? Can she walk on maybe? Or is that not allowed Doc?
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I’m beginning to think your synapses are short-circuiting. You made it quite clear that you were telling coaches you weren’t interested because your daughter was going pro out if HS. You were also quite upset that your daughter wasn’t playing much at a college showcase event because you had specifically told the coach that you weren’t interested in college for your daughter. You can change your handle all you want. You better get your $15 in action so you can start deleting literally everything you said on this board for almost two years.

But the actual point here is whether you have a single fact to support your assertion that the Cal coach fat shamed anyone. And, no, telling a D1 athlete that she is needs to be more fit or leaner in order to play is not fat shaming. Anything? Anything at all Mr. Fat Shamer?
 
crush said:
I'm going to take the weekend off. Unless we have breaking news I'll see you all Sunday night. Be nice to the girls you guys. They deserve to be treated better then they have been. Let's all get real. Peace out!!!
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Yes, you’ll need the weekend to delete two years worth of posts.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
Coaches should be held to the same standard as teachers in the classroom. If you child's teacher or professor did the things Neil is accused of they would be GONE.
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At Cal no one cares if a freshman is flunking calculus. No one is gonna create a math circle so the students can “develop” mathematically. It’s sink or swim. If a student flunks classes they can be academically disqualified whereas Neil has to deal with tag-a-longs that don’t want to accept that they aren’t good enough.

Lol, think of how ridiculous it would sound for a student that flunked calculus to insist on declaring an impacted major like computer science the same way these young ladies insist on staying on a team when the have essentially flunked D1 soccer. Professors just have more tools at their disposal to get rid of dead weight.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
easy, pass the beep test or you are not on the travel roster.
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Many folks complain about the beep test. But, if you go through the ladies complaints, I am relatively sure someone was complaining about being left off of the travel roster.

you and @outside keep proving my point that dream crushing is hard work.
 
outside! said:
IL A coach should not be telling a player she'd never play again.
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Why not if it’s true? If the coach doesn’t tell her, then who should?

It’s not Neil job to motivate and encourage, that’s what pay to play club soccer was for. Theses young ladies should’ve been better prepared for the harsh realities of D1 sports.
 
MacDre said:
Why not if it’s true? If the coach doesn’t tell her, then who should?

It’s not Neil job to motivate and encourage, that’s what pay to play club soccer was for. Theses young ladies should’ve been better prepared for the harsh realities of D1 sports.
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So you are saying Neil decided she would never play again, even if she improved to the point she was better than the player in her spot on the starting roster? If it isn't a coaches job to motivate and encourage players to get better, then the coaches that do manage to do that are probably the best coaches. When you have a player playing D1 soccer, come back and talk.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
easy, pass the beep test or you are not on the travel roster.
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Are you saying a staff should not discuss how a player who is struggling with fitness can become more effective through a specific diet or a exercise regimen? It seems to me that leaving them to figure out themselves how to pass the beep test will lead to the very type of self help that the one player says she did but only served to negatively affect her overall health. Not discussing weight or fitness issues can also allow undiagnosed health issues to stay that way. A D1 program has all the resources in the world to address health and fitness issues, and the first step is to discuss it, even if the player doesn’t want to hear it.
 
outside! said:
So you are saying Neil decided she would never play again, even if she improved to the point she was better than the player in her spot on the starting roster? If it isn't a coaches job to motivate and encourage players to get better, then the coaches that do manage to do that are probably the best coaches. When you have a player playing D1 soccer, come back and talk.
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I’m having a hard time understanding what you mean by improvement at D1 level. Technique? Speed? Strength? Fitness? The only development I see occurring is if a player can adjust to the speed and physicality of the game at that level. Some will. Some won’t. But there ain’t much development happening in D1 in my opinion.
 
EOTL said:
Are you saying a staff should not discuss how a player who is struggling with fitness can become more effective through a specific diet or a exercise regimen? It seems to me that leaving them to figure out themselves how to pass the beep test will lead to the very type of self help that the one player says she did but only served to negatively affect her overall health. Not discussing weight or fitness issues can also allow undiagnosed health issues to stay that way. A D1 program has all the resources in the world to address health and fitness issues, and the first step is to discuss it, even if the player doesn’t want to hear it.
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Oh please, the guy sounds like an asshat and seems like he lacks the ability to lead and influence without being an asshat. Looks like he mainly underperforms when it counts, likely because his players aren't motivated to continue the season beyond the 2nd round of the tournament.

But we will see.
 
outside! said:
I think you are missing the point. A coach should not be telling a player she'd never play again. A coach should be telling a player how to improve their performance to earn playing time.

I am astounded that so many people think that all of the 20 something women that came forward did so because of nothing. A coach should be creating an environment that attracts players. Neil has failed at that.
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I think telling a player they aren’t going to play again (assuming for the sake of argument those were the exact words used) is much better than leading them on that working harder will get them more playing time when the coach knows it won’t make a difference. They can assess and make decisions based on the reality that the coach does not intend to play her no matter how hard she works, whether it’s transferring somewhere she will play, quitting the dream to focus on academics and maybe get an internship with the extra time, or maybe finding a new role as the team’s Rudy. The reality of competitive sports is that often times the hardest work in the world is not even remotely enough to make up the deficit between you and the players in front of you. Even Rudy only played three plays in his entire ND career, and only because the game was under control. Trying to motivate a student athlete to sacrifice more of the student part by working as hard as they can in the gym when the coach knows it isn’t going to make a difference is inexcusable. Ironically, one of the other players complains about that very thing. Who knows whether the coach thought she could play more if she got more fit, but it is not disputed that she is upset in large part because he allegedly suggested that working harder would get her playing time, and then it didn’t happen.
 
crush said:
Is yelling disrespectful?
You are OFF if you yell or are disrespectful in any way. This is true regardless of what the other person has done or is doing. Their behavior does not give you the green light to be harsh or verbally abusive (such as yelling, swearing at, name calling or belittling someone). Just coaches with power & control. U Little Female Marines need some tough love from drill Sargant? BS!!!!
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What about Tom Cruise? Are you okay with the way he was yelling??
 
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