Cal Berkeley Coach (women) abusive

eastbaysoccer said:
Coaches should be held to the same standard as teachers in the classroom. If you child's teacher or professor did the things Neil is accused of they would be GONE.
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At Cal no one cares if a freshman is flunking calculus. No one is gonna create a math circle so the students can “develop” mathematically. It’s sink or swim. If a student flunks classes they can be academically disqualified whereas Neil has to deal with tag-a-longs that don’t want to accept that they aren’t good enough.

Lol, think of how ridiculous it would sound for a student that flunked calculus to insist on declaring an impacted major like computer science the same way these young ladies insist on staying on a team when the have essentially flunked D1 soccer. Professors just have more tools at their disposal to get rid of dead weight.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
easy, pass the beep test or you are not on the travel roster.
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Many folks complain about the beep test. But, if you go through the ladies complaints, I am relatively sure someone was complaining about being left off of the travel roster.

you and @outside keep proving my point that dream crushing is hard work.
 
outside! said:
IL A coach should not be telling a player she'd never play again.
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Why not if it’s true? If the coach doesn’t tell her, then who should?

It’s not Neil job to motivate and encourage, that’s what pay to play club soccer was for. Theses young ladies should’ve been better prepared for the harsh realities of D1 sports.
 
MacDre said:
Why not if it’s true? If the coach doesn’t tell her, then who should?

It’s not Neil job to motivate and encourage, that’s what pay to play club soccer was for. Theses young ladies should’ve been better prepared for the harsh realities of D1 sports.
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So you are saying Neil decided she would never play again, even if she improved to the point she was better than the player in her spot on the starting roster? If it isn't a coaches job to motivate and encourage players to get better, then the coaches that do manage to do that are probably the best coaches. When you have a player playing D1 soccer, come back and talk.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
easy, pass the beep test or you are not on the travel roster.
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Are you saying a staff should not discuss how a player who is struggling with fitness can become more effective through a specific diet or a exercise regimen? It seems to me that leaving them to figure out themselves how to pass the beep test will lead to the very type of self help that the one player says she did but only served to negatively affect her overall health. Not discussing weight or fitness issues can also allow undiagnosed health issues to stay that way. A D1 program has all the resources in the world to address health and fitness issues, and the first step is to discuss it, even if the player doesn’t want to hear it.
 
outside! said:
So you are saying Neil decided she would never play again, even if she improved to the point she was better than the player in her spot on the starting roster? If it isn't a coaches job to motivate and encourage players to get better, then the coaches that do manage to do that are probably the best coaches. When you have a player playing D1 soccer, come back and talk.
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I’m having a hard time understanding what you mean by improvement at D1 level. Technique? Speed? Strength? Fitness? The only development I see occurring is if a player can adjust to the speed and physicality of the game at that level. Some will. Some won’t. But there ain’t much development happening in D1 in my opinion.
 
EOTL said:
Are you saying a staff should not discuss how a player who is struggling with fitness can become more effective through a specific diet or a exercise regimen? It seems to me that leaving them to figure out themselves how to pass the beep test will lead to the very type of self help that the one player says she did but only served to negatively affect her overall health. Not discussing weight or fitness issues can also allow undiagnosed health issues to stay that way. A D1 program has all the resources in the world to address health and fitness issues, and the first step is to discuss it, even if the player doesn’t want to hear it.
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Oh please, the guy sounds like an asshat and seems like he lacks the ability to lead and influence without being an asshat. Looks like he mainly underperforms when it counts, likely because his players aren't motivated to continue the season beyond the 2nd round of the tournament.

But we will see.
 
outside! said:
I think you are missing the point. A coach should not be telling a player she'd never play again. A coach should be telling a player how to improve their performance to earn playing time.

I am astounded that so many people think that all of the 20 something women that came forward did so because of nothing. A coach should be creating an environment that attracts players. Neil has failed at that.
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I think telling a player they aren’t going to play again (assuming for the sake of argument those were the exact words used) is much better than leading them on that working harder will get them more playing time when the coach knows it won’t make a difference. They can assess and make decisions based on the reality that the coach does not intend to play her no matter how hard she works, whether it’s transferring somewhere she will play, quitting the dream to focus on academics and maybe get an internship with the extra time, or maybe finding a new role as the team’s Rudy. The reality of competitive sports is that often times the hardest work in the world is not even remotely enough to make up the deficit between you and the players in front of you. Even Rudy only played three plays in his entire ND career, and only because the game was under control. Trying to motivate a student athlete to sacrifice more of the student part by working as hard as they can in the gym when the coach knows it isn’t going to make a difference is inexcusable. Ironically, one of the other players complains about that very thing. Who knows whether the coach thought she could play more if she got more fit, but it is not disputed that she is upset in large part because he allegedly suggested that working harder would get her playing time, and then it didn’t happen.
 
crush said:
Is yelling disrespectful?
You are OFF if you yell or are disrespectful in any way. This is true regardless of what the other person has done or is doing. Their behavior does not give you the green light to be harsh or verbally abusive (such as yelling, swearing at, name calling or belittling someone). Just coaches with power & control. U Little Female Marines need some tough love from drill Sargant? BS!!!!
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What about Tom Cruise? Are you okay with the way he was yelling??
 
crush said:
And some girls cut themselves at night. They sleep all alone and they have deal with all the pressure. They have MAJOR depression. Wake up guys. This is not to be taken lightly.
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It is only my opinion, but if a player does not already possess the mental/emotional skills to cope with the pressures of all that it takes to play on a D1 team or cut throat team - then they should not put themselves at risk. The trouble is if a player has never faced adversity then they may never have had a chance to develop those coping skills. And some people have personality or anxiety disorders or unresolved trauma that makes me think that they will always struggle in a very competitive environment.
 
MacDre said:
I don’t look at D1 as a development experience. Folks should be developed when they arrived. D1 should be viewed as a finishing school for developed players seeking professional opportunities.

The fact that many are expecting development and hand holding is indicative of unrealistic expectations on behalf of those players.
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Players should come to a program fit and with solid technical skills. But surely a player can expect to be individually developed or are coaches just playing to win?
 
MacDre said:
I’m having a hard time understanding what you mean by improvement at D1 level. Technique? Speed? Strength? Fitness? The only development I see occurring is if a player can adjust to the speed and physicality of the game at that level. Some will. Some won’t. But there ain’t much development happening in D1 in my opinion.
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You touched on another tangent..”ain’t much development happening in D1 in my opinion”...

if someone aspires to make USNational team, play pro in the US or Europe, and they’re no longer developing once they start playing long ball for AD or whoever, why is playing D1 soccer even in theconversation?

Europe and pretty much the rest of the world has next to zero interest in plateauing as a college player.

aside from playing soccer to get into your reach / dream school, why go that route If development ends there?
 
msoccerm said:
Players should come to a program fit and with solid technical skills. But surely a player can expect to be individually developed or are coaches just playing to win?
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I think self preservation is what we have to think about. As a practical matter, as a coach why risk your job trying to develop a player instead of focusing on winning the most games and keeping your job. I’d also guarantee that a coach that plays to win and doesn’t develop has much better job security and reputation than a coach that develops and doesn’t win.
 
Giesbock said:
You touched on another tangent..”ain’t much development happening in D1 in my opinion”...

if someone aspires to make USNational team, play pro in the US or Europe, and they’re no longer developing once they start playing long ball for AD or whoever, why is playing D1 soccer even in theconversation?

Europe and pretty much the rest of the world has next to zero interest in plateauing as a college player.

aside from playing soccer to get into your reach / dream school, why go that route If development ends there?
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Good question. My kids pediatrician and coaches at Club Tijuana think girls can go pro at 15. Hopefully be a franchise player by 19. If a player is 19 in college hoping to get developed, they are a day late and a dollar short.
 
Sandypk said:
I am a female, was in the service, and played college soccer. My college soccer coach, who is still coaching D1, was way harder on us physically than any drill sergeant, commander, or during my overseas experiences.
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Thank you for your service.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
bottom line is NEIL has underperformed when compared to other coaches in the Pac-12 with similar acadmeic profiles. Stanford, UCLA Zane USC have all won national championships and he barely gets out of the first round. That IMO is enough to dump him and replace him with a top female coach like Tiffany Roberts and others.
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Great school but it's Berkeley, not some amazing city where 18 year olds want to flock to. Palo Alto, Westwood, etc much more attractive city wise. I agree he could have advanced further on average in NCAA's but when you have to face SCU literally every single year in the first round because of the dumb travel reasons for early round games, that's tough too. SCU is good just about every year. Even Stanford have lost to SCU a few times I believe. Maybe, just maybe all the letters of support that's been sent to CAL AD and to the news station will one day be released? Probably not. It's always a 2 way street is all I'm saying. Another factor why some big time coaches may not want CAL is it really doesn't pay too(149k before taxes)well for a big d1 job especially living in the Bay Area. Other areas of the country, that's good. There is a reason he coaches at Mustang and runs some camp program.
 
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