Cal Berkeley Coach (women) abusive

I forgot to mention that The Jeweler has a theme song that plays whenever he enters a room. Strange.

 
MacDre said:
I can only analyze the evidence put in front of me. I don’t want to speculate.

I am saying that I think he was a jerk and the girls are telling the truth. However, sometimes people don’t like each other and say or do mean things. If The Jeweler is batting .829 and there’s no allegations of physical or sexual abuse, I’m okay with him telling a few players BYE FELICIA!
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EVIDENCE
1) complaints and articles written about him have accumulated over his tenure and an explosive story with over 24 girls coming forward. Extremely bad press during the #metoo movement at a very liberal university
2) subpar results in the NCAA tournament compared with counterparts in the PAC-12 whose employers are also top 25 academic univ.

number two alone should get the man fired. add #1 and he should most definitely be fired.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
EVIDENCE
1) complaints and articles written about him have accumulated over his tenure and an explosive story with over 24 girls coming forward. Extremely bad press during the #metoo movement at a very liberal university
2) subpar results in the NCAA tournament compared with counterparts in the PAC-12 whose employers are also top 25 academic univ.

number two alone should get the man fired. add #1 and he should most definitely be fired.
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Maybe. I am just trying to highlight that there are alternative ways of looking at the facts. Your conclusions as to what the evidence is while plausible is not dispositive on the issue.

I often recommend that folks run away from licensed professionals that state things with absolute certainty like you do.
 
MacDre said:
Nope. Bay Area folks have a get in where you fit in mentality. Bosses have options and one ho-bitch doesn’t stop the show.

I’ll give you a short list of athletes that usually slide through to see me on the holidays from different sports that would have no problem transferring programs without a coaches support:
Casey Strand (wrestler), Eddie House (basketball), Marshawn Lynch (aka Beastmode), Jerod Cherry (football), Hannibal Navies (football), Na’il Benjamin (football), CC Sabaithia (baseball) and last but not least my bestie J’Juan Cherry.

J’Juan was kicked out of Colorado because folks thought I took the SAT for his dumb ass and he landed at Arizona State. When he got to Arizona and invited me down we literally partied for 2 years straight. Lot’s of social equity between Casey, Eddie, and J’Juan. Despite all of this, ESPN had my boy ranked as a top player coming into the upcoming season. But the problem was that he hadn’t been to class because we were partying and chasing skirts and he flunked out of school. No biggie, Parcel’s and the Patriots picked him up in the supplemental draft because he was a BOSS. Players do what they want and haters do what the can. I understand.
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Does 24 ho-bitches stop the show? Seems to me you mentioned a lot of professional athletes. Been a while since C.C. was 18-years old.
 
Scott m Shurson said:
Does 24 ho-bitches stop the show? Seems to me you mentioned a lot of professional athletes. Been a while since C.C. was 18-years old.
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You said it, I didn’t. I wasn’t referring to the young ladies as ho-bitches. But I am relatively certain the 24 players that have come forward have valid reasons for for thinking The Jeweler is a ho-bitch.

I mentioned these professionals specifically because they’re my peer group and frame of reference. I don’t think the age of the players that I mentioned matters. Players change not the game. The game remains the same.

I just realized that I didn’t include any soccer players so let’s throw in both Beasly brothers while I was in New England and Edgar Castillo and everyone at Club Tijuana to makes things interesting.
 
MacDre said:
You said it, I didn’t. I wasn’t referring to the young ladies as ho-bitches. But I am relatively certain the 24 players that have come forward have valid reasons for for thinking The Jeweler is a ho-bitch.

I mentioned these professionals specifically because they’re my peer group and frame of reference. I don’t think the age of the players that I mentioned matters. Players change not the game. The game remains the same.

I just realized that I didn’t include any soccer players so let’s throw in both Beasly brothers while I was in New England and Edgar Castillo and everyone at Club Tijuana to makes things interesting.
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You didn't? I quoted you directly! You mentioned a bunch of men. Entirely different world they live in.
 
Scott m Shurson said:
You didn't? I quoted you directly! You mentioned a bunch of men. Entirely different world they live in.
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You’re taking my words out of context. The proper context and the way that I presented it was that if a player is a Boss, she could tell The Jeweler to fuck off ho-bitch and exercise her other options.

Since none of you’s can’t articulate why these players didn’t exercise other options, I think it can be deduced that most other top coaches considered these players HELLA BOOTSY and wouldn’t give them the time of day. The Jeweler being the kind and caring gentleman that he is gave these players a chance to prove themselves at their “dream school.” When these players didn’t measure up and were told to kick rocks, they got mad and stabbed The Jeweler in the back.
 
MacDre said:
You’re taking my words out of context. The proper context and the way that I presented it was that if a player is a Boss, she could tell The Jeweler to fuck off ho-bitch and exercise her other options.

Since none of you’s can’t articulate why these players didn’t exercise other options, I think it can be deduced that most other top coaches considered these players HELLA BOOTSY and wouldn’t give them the time of day. The Jeweler being the kind and caring gentleman that he is gave these players a chance to prove themselves at their “dream school.” When these players didn’t measure up and were told to kick rocks, they got mad and stabbed The Jeweler in the back.
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I'm learning a lot about the jeweler story. My buddy from Yellow Pages was Armenian. He hooked me up with a jeweler downtown LA that had some diamonds. A deal of a life time :)
 
Scott m Shurson said:
You mentioned a bunch of men. Entirely different world they live in.
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Seriously? How? Sounds like you are holding the ladies back by promoting low standards. I want to see the women’s leagues prosper but we need to silence the FUCKERY of which you speak so the games will be entertaining and folks will come to games and watch on TV.
 
MacDre said:
Seriously? How? Sounds like you are holding the ladies back by promoting low standards. I want to see the women’s leagues prosper but we need to silence the FUCKERY of which you speak so the games will be entertaining and folks will come to games and watch on TV.
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Promoting low standards?
MacDre said:
You’re taking my words out of context. The proper context and the way that I presented it was that if a player is a Boss, she could tell The Jeweler to fuck off ho-bitch and exercise her other options.

Since none of you’s can’t articulate why these players didn’t exercise other options, I think it can be deduced that most other top coaches considered these players HELLA BOOTSY and wouldn’t give them the time of day. The Jeweler being the kind and caring gentleman that he is gave these players a chance to prove themselves at their “dream school.” When these players didn’t measure up and were told to kick rocks, they got mad and stabbed The Jeweler in the back.
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How do you take written words out of context?
 
MacDre said:
Seriously? How? Sounds like you are holding the ladies back by promoting low standards. I want to see the women’s leagues prosper but we need to silence the FUCKERY of which you speak so the games will be entertaining and folks will come to games and watch on TV.
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So verbal, mental and emotional abuse is low standard now? I want to see a women's league prosper, too. You and I both have daughters. And if both of us sent them to Cal, we'd expect the coaching staff to be firm but supportive. Don't blather to me about how C.C. Sabathia could transfer over a bad coach when the fool never went to college.

The jeweler gets his ass handed to him, every year, by the jeweler down the freeway and they compete for the same players.
 
Scott m Shurson said:
So verbal, mental and emotional abuse is low standard now? I want to see a women's league prosper, too. You and I both have daughters. And if both of us sent them to Cal, we'd expect the coaching staff to be firm but supportive. Don't blather to me about how C.C. Sabathia could transfer over a bad coach when the fool never went to college.

The jeweler gets his ass handed to him, every year, by the jeweler down the freeway and they compete for the same players.
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I’m not sure there was any abuse. I’m not sure talking cash shit is abuse. Also, if these ladies were abused you’d think there’d be some type of damages. It appears all continued to excel in school and eventually graduated while suffering alleged emotional abuse. Strange.

Many moons ago I recall reading the Jones v. Clinton case. I recall the court reasoning that she couldn’t claim abuse if she kept coming to work and not exercising her other options. I think the court also looked at how she continued to come to work and perform. I think the rationale in the above case is applicable here. Even if we assume The Jeweler is abusive, the players have suffered absolutely no damages.

I am sympathetic to the ladies position. My post are essentially a free focus group to help the ladies develop their case because they ain’t even close.

You got me on the CC comment lol.

Now, that dude up the street is not a Jeweler. He’s a Keebler elf that lives and stores amateur trophies in a tree. As far a competing for players, it’s unfair because judging by the comments on this board many want to be in an artificial bubble where they hold one’s hand and coddles students. Cal promotes street smarts in addition to book smarts and it’s okay that the environment at Cal is not for everybody.
 
MacDre said:
I’m not sure there was any abuse. I’m not sure talking cash shit is abuse. Also, if these ladies were abused you’d think there’d be some type of damages. It appears all continued to excel in school and eventually graduated while suffering alleged emotional abuse. Strange.

Many moons ago I recall reading the Jones v. Clinton case. I recall the court reasoning that she couldn’t claim abuse if she kept coming to work and not exercising her other options. I think the court also looked at how she continued to come to work and perform. I think the rationale in the above case is applicable here. Even if we assume The Jeweler is abusive, the players have suffered absolutely no damages.

I am sympathetic to the ladies position. My post are essentially a free focus group to help the ladies develop their case because they ain’t even close.

You got me on the CC comment lol.

Now, that dude up the street is not a Jeweler. He’s a Keebler elf that lives and stores amateur trophies in a tree. As far a competing for players, it’s unfair because judging by the comments on this board many want to be in an artificial bubble where they hold one’s hand and coddles students. Cal promotes street smarts in addition to book smarts and it’s okay that the environment at Cal is not for everybody.
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I'm not sure he did it, either, but I don't imagine it's completely unfounded.
 
Scott m Shurson said:
I'm not sure he did it, either, but I don't imagine it's completely unfounded.
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Agreed. I just think the ladies have to be careful with how they proceed. At this point, The Jeweler could be considering a counter claim for defamation. If the ladies have evidence, they should proceed otherwise it’s time to drop it and move on.
 
MacDre said:
Maybe. I am just trying to highlight that there are alternative ways of looking at the facts. Your conclusions as to what the evidence is while plausible is not dispositive on the issue.

I often recommend that folks run away from licensed professionals that state things with absolute certainty like you do.
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There's always two sides to the story, YES. What I've have ALWAYS said is CAL should move on to a new coach if moving past the first round is something that is important to them.

Also have ANY former players come forward to support Neil and say what a positive influence he has been during their time at CAL? At this point the negatives out weigh the positives and you don't have to be a Stanford Law grad to figure that out.
 
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MacDre said:
Agreed. I just think the ladies have to be careful with how they proceed. At this point, The Jeweler could be considering a counter claim for defamation. If the ladies have evidence, they should proceed otherwise it’s time to drop it and move on.
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The evidence is " he said, she said". it's 24 to 1, unless there are alumni telling a different story.
 
I think the play right now is to release him at the end of his contract. There doesn't need to be a reason except Cal wants to move in another direction. When does his contract expire?
 
At some point the PR for Cal comes into play. What does the President or Chancellor think of this issue in the media. This decision could go way above the AD. I suspect he is on a 1 year contract at this point, since his last multi year extension was publicized on Cal's website. It ended January 2020. Since no announcement of an extension, and the fact that he was in the middle of a lawsuit at the time his contract expired, I think it is safe to say they have him on a one year contract. I agree with eastbay that he likely goes when this annual contract ends. Is that January or June in the Cal system?
 
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