How does the University capitalize on producing great players without producing above average results?
Cal Berkeley Coach (women) abusive
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MacDre
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No allegations of physical or sexual abuse have been made. He’s basically been very mean and talked shit to 24 people that rubbed him the wrong way. In life there a personality conflicts and disagreements. Look at the high divorce rate for example.
I would also be curious to know why didn’t some or all of these players transfer to another program. Wouldn’t most programs want a quality transfer from Cal? So many unanswered questions.
MacDre
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Former Biglaw associates and professional athletes would think those numbers look promising. With Biglaw, I’d say the number would be more than 90%.
MacDre
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You’re thinking small homie. I bet no one in Italy, Spain, or Germany knows or cares who won the female college championship. But I bet they all know Alex Morgan . Neil is focused on developing BOSS’
Keepermom2
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17% only relates to the number of people that came forward. Obviously the number is higher.
"Verbal and emotional abuse is much more common in athletics. It can lead to severe and long-lasting effects on the athlete’s social and emotional development. In a world where “more is better” in terms of training and “no pain means no gain,” there is a great deal of machismo in coaches. Most coaches coach the same way that they were coached while playing the sport growing up. This means that many coaches are still operating as if the training methods used in the Soviet Union in the 1970s are state of the art. “Ve vill deprive you of food until you win gold medal.” Central to this old school mindset is the idea that threat, intimidation, fear, guilt, shame, and name-calling are all viable ways to push athletes to excel. News flash: None of these is a worthwhile motivator for anyone. These are the bricks which line the road paved to burnout, rebellion and hatred of a once-loved sport."
The Consequences of Verbally Abusive Athletic Coaches
My 10-year-old son was bullied recently. He was told that he was an “embarrassment.” He was told to “shu
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Ok for the boss. But why would anyone else go there?
I am betting his recruiting pitch doesn't say "you'll be a training cone while I focus all my energy on the 1 or 2 players who might make WNT".
That’s not what’s at question here. The question is whether or not Niels boss gauges the benefit of employing him by the players he develops or the Trophies he’s put in the case.
You and I can pontificate all we want, but the AD has the juice and is the ultimate decision maker.
MacDre
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I agree.17% only relates to the number of people that came forward. Obviously the number is higher.
"Verbal and emotional abuse is much more common in athletics. It can lead to severe and long-lasting effects on the athlete’s social and emotional development. In a world where “more is better” in terms of training and “no pain means no gain,” there is a great deal of machismo in coaches. Most coaches coach the same way that they were coached while playing the sport growing up. This means that many coaches are still operating as if the training methods used in the Soviet Union in the 1970s are state of the art. “Ve vill deprive you of food until you win gold medal.” Central to this old school mindset is the idea that threat, intimidation, fear, guilt, shame, and name-calling are all viable ways to push athletes to excel. News flash: None of these is a worthwhile motivator for anyone. These are the bricks which line the road paved to burnout, rebellion and hatred of a once-loved sport."
The Consequences of Verbally Abusive Athletic Coaches
My 10-year-old son was bullied recently. He was told that he was an “embarrassment.” He was told to “shu
Typical sink or swim Cal environment. If you can swim like a fish, it’s all good and if you can’t BYE FELICIA!
How can he develop bosses when college players can’t be developed if they are older than 15?
His job to is win the P12 and College Cups, graduate players, teach the game and build strong young women. With his recruiting classes he should be crushing it and he’s middle of the pack at best.
MacDre
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Excuse me, I have used the word develop loosely. I will clean it up. To help illustrate my point I will not refer to Neil by his government name. Instead, I will use his nickname...The Jeweler. I think the problem is that you see dude as a youth coach when he’s actually a fine jeweler.
I mentioned upthread that college should she be viewed as a finishing school and not a place for development like youth soccer. Therefore, The Jewelers job is to identify diamonds in the ruff, polish them with real world experience and a Cal sink or swim mentality (like Alex Morgan said in the article EOTL posted upthread) and get those precious jewels to market so that they can move towards the hall of fame. Cal will let Stanford continue winning amateur trophies and providing excellent supporting players for their goats.
Another aspect of The Jewelers job is to identify the cubic zirconia and fools gold; remove and discard.
His job is to polish diamonds. No one cares about the amateur trophy but parents. If it don’t make dollars, then it don’t make sense. Polishing diamonds makes the most dollars and sense.
I like this kind of and I see where your going. I would just suggest that when any coach finds cubic zirconia and fools gold ((dad worked at the club or donated big bucks and dd played every game....lol)) that he or she handle with care and not throw on the ground and then yell and scream at it as if the fools gold thought it was fools gold. Some coaches take it a step further and get a hammer and smash the fools gold to pieces. I have a another suggestion. Since all these top programs have like 40 players, why not have an A team and B team. Two games. JV and then Varsity. That way everyone has a chance to actually play a game. If a player is not in shape or doing well, you send her to the B team and bring over someone from the B team that is developing and is ready for the call up? And this awesome idea: Sell 10 spots for $100,000 each. Now you got $$$$ for the girls program and not in some middleman's pants.....lol
Scott m Shurson
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You might want to use something more recent than a comment right after the incident in which she was justifiably angry.
How Alex Morgan's College Soccer Coach Helped Her Train to Be a Superstar
Alex Morgan, star forward for the U.S. Women’s National Soccer team, believes many players fall into the trap of practicing in unrealistic situations.www.stack.com
How about waiting 30-years, Ms. Blasey Ford?
Scott m Shurson
SILVER ELITE
Transfer to where... a "better" school?
I was talking to my soon to be 17 year old after her run this morning about college thoughts today vs when she was in 7th grade. It's amazing how different her thoughts are about playing soccer in college. I asked what is the biggest difference in your thoughts today then four years ago. She said 100% wherever she ends up going to school, it has to be a place where she loves, just in case the coach thinks he got fools gold. Sometimes you can;t change someone perceptions or some folks have zero tolerance and if you break a rule, your toast. I now firmly believe you should pick a school where you want to go to school first and then play soccer. It's hard for someone who chases medals and Cups. I hope she can find both in her recruiting journey that has taken on a life of it's own.
MacDre
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If she got into Cal, she should be able to get into most other places especially with the coaches support. Maybe, Ivies, USC, Georgetown, UVA etc.
Scott m Shurson
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Perhaps, but that sounds to me like making the victim leave so we no longer have a problem. And what is the coach supposed to do in lending support, MD? "Uh, yeah, I've got a malcontent you need to take a look at"?
MacDre
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Nope. Bay Area folks have a get in where you fit in mentality. Bosses have options and one ho-bitch doesn’t stop the show.
I’ll give you a short list of athletes that usually slide through to see me on the holidays from different sports that would have no problem transferring programs without a coaches support:
Casey Strand (wrestler), Eddie House (basketball), Marshawn Lynch (aka Beastmode), Jerod Cherry (football), Hannibal Navies (football), Na’il Benjamin (football), CC Sabaithia (baseball) and last but not least my bestie J’Juan Cherry.
J’Juan was kicked out of Colorado because folks thought I took the SAT for his dumb ass and he landed at Arizona State. When he got to Arizona and invited me down we literally partied for 2 years straight. Lot’s of social equity between Casey, Eddie, and J’Juan. Despite all of this, ESPN had my boy ranked as a top player coming into the upcoming season. But the problem was that he hadn’t been to class because we were partying and chasing skirts and he flunked out of school. No biggie, Parcel’s and the Patriots picked him up in the supplemental draft because he was a BOSS. Players do what they want and haters do what the can. I understand.
It may also be that only 24 have come forward but there are others that choose not to. Isn't there a possibility that others who played for him and thought his behavior was abusive decided not to go public because they are adults with jobs and just wanted to move past it. I'm not saying whether he was or wasn't a jerk, I'm just proposing that the argument of only "24 out of 350" is not really valid.
MacDre
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I can only analyze the evidence put in front of me. I don’t want to speculate.
I am saying that I think he was a jerk and the girls are telling the truth. However, sometimes people don’t like each other and say or do mean things. If The Jeweler is batting .829 and there’s no allegations of physical or sexual abuse, I’m okay with him telling a few players BYE FELICIA!