Cal Berkeley Coach (women) abusive

Kicker4Life said:
If the University made money on “developed players”...I would agree.

But programs/Coaches are judged in expectations of the program. If Cal’s expectation is just to have high level recruits and not win the PAC 12 or the NCAA Tournament, then I’d say he’s secure. Otherwise, he could be looking for a new job.
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I would argue that producing “hall of fame” type players consistently is better than winning amateur tournaments.
 
MacDre said:
I would argue that producing “hall of fame” type players consistently is better than winning amateur tournaments.
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That’s definitely a POV and you’ll get no argument from me on that point. But you nor I are the ones making that determination. If the University is happy underperforming with HoF type talent that’s their prerogative.
 
Not underperforming, developing the chosen few. You’ll lose games if the focus is on development as opposed to winning the big amateur trophy.

I‘ll take it a step further, Alex Morgan consistently makes Cal look good and garners interest in the program. I can only remember 1 player on FSU’s recent championship team. Universities get more bang for their buck with HoF type players.
 
MacDre said:
I have asked every starting striker at Cal for the past 7 years about Neil ( all of African descent) and the environment at Cal. If the allegations are true, they all looked me in the face and told a bald faced lie. I need to hear from Alex Morgan and those strikers because if they are not part of the solution they are part of the problem. If the environment is that bad, why is it okay for grown ass women to intentionally mislead little kids and their parents a Cal camps; I think there should be consequences and repercussions for this type of behavior. To me this shows a lack of character and a person that’s willing to do or say anything to get theirs-selfish.

I would also be interested in hearing from a young lady that graduated last year, started, and has a weight problem. Again, if these allegations are true, she blew the most smoke up my ass. My wife was curious as to how this player was successful at Cal due to her physical appearance. I inquired about her experience with Neil and she told me that all is great at Cal and that she was not entering the draft but was going to try playing in Europe after graduation.
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I played college sports and my coach was awful and if I and my teammates were working a camp at our school and a parent of a camper asked about our experience or our coach we would 100% lie every day of the week and twice on Sunday. You think scholarship players will tell some dad the dirt? No freaking way. We’d sell our coach and program like it’s the greatest ever.
To this day as an old fart I won’t throw my coach or school out to dry in front of a random. To everyone except my friends would I tell the truth to. It’s family. You don’t bag on family to strangers.
On occasion we’d tell recruits. If we knew them from high school or were homies. But the fear of that getting back to our coaches was way more motivating than any altruistic notion of being honest to a recruit. And NEVER to a dad at camp. Come on.
 
full90 said:
I played college sports and my coach was awful and if I and my teammates were working a camp at our school and a parent of a camper asked about our experience or our coach we would 100% lie every day of the week and twice on Sunday. You think scholarship players will tell some dad the dirt? No freaking way. We’d sell our coach and program like it’s the greatest ever.
To this day as an old fart I won’t throw my coach or school out to dry in front of a random. To everyone except my friends would I tell the truth to. It’s family. You don’t bag on family to strangers.
On occasion we’d tell recruits. If we knew them from high school or were homies. But the fear of that getting back to our coaches was way more motivating than any altruistic notion of being honest to a recruit. And NEVER to a dad at camp. Come on.
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Wow. I’m speechless. Thanks for sharing.
 
soccer4us said:
If Cal hasn't been investigating this whole situation for nearly 2 years already, I would agree NM is probably done. Since they have, have fully backed him the whole time because they haven't found concrete evidence certain were broken, I bet he coaches next season. I can see them not renewing a contract when thats time comes but for now I'd be surprised if fired. You can argue the news reports brought more to the situation but they know ALL of this since nothing is news to the admin department. I know most people in 2020 want say the make coach is guilty and he's done when ever a handful say he did this emotionally to us etc. I have no dog in the fight so it doesn't matter to me but I know people who do ad this is the common thought...for the time being,
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I agree w you. they will not renew him. That’s the way to go to avoid more litigation.
 
UOP said:
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I agree w you. they will not renew him. That’s the way to go to avoid more litigation.
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I think at this point no claims have been substantiated. If folks keep pushing the issue by wasting scarce judicial resources, the attorneys may face sanctions and the moving party could be on the hook for attorneys fees.

You gotta bring ass, if you want to get ass.
 
soccer4us said:
If Cal hasn't been investigating this whole situation for nearly 2 years already, I would agree NM is probably done. Since they have, have fully backed him the whole time because they haven't found concrete evidence certain were broken, I bet he coaches next season. I can see them not renewing a contract when thats time comes but for now I'd be surprised if fired. You can argue the news reports brought more to the situation but they know ALL of this since nothing is news to the admin department. I know most people in 2020 want say the make coach is guilty and he's done when ever a handful say he did this emotionally to us etc. I have no dog in the fight so it doesn't matter to me but I know people who do ad this is the common thought...for the time being,
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Of course universities never ignore complaints and always investigate them...."Michigan State ignored reports of sexual abuse by Larry Nassar for almost 20 years."
 
You have greater than 20 women come forward (a couple who walked away from scholarships because of the toxic environment) to say something or corroborate the abuse from the past and present, most of which have nothing to gain from coming forward and more to lose hearing people like many of you diminish their argument to whether a coach should yell at players or not like that was the players' point. Ignorance!!!!!!!! Many of you also have the audacity to diminish what they had to say with sexist comments that I am pretty certain you are completely unaware are sexist. How many women coming forward does it take to be believed? You just have to read this thread to understand why a young women would not come forward to say anything.
 
Keepermom2 said:
You have greater than 20 women come forward (a couple who walked away from scholarships because of the toxic environment) to say something or corroborate the abuse from the past and present, most of which have nothing to gain from coming forward and more to lose hearing people like many of you diminish their argument to whether a coach should yell at players or not like that was the players' point. Ignorance!!!!!!!! Many of you also have the audacity to diminish what they had to say with sexist comments that I am pretty certain you are completely unaware are sexist. How many women coming forward does it take to be believed? You just have to read this thread to understand why a young women would not come forward to say anything.
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Sexist? Perhaps, but not in the way you said.

One big reason this story gets traction is because it is a women's program. At a men's program, almost everyone here would be dismissing the athletes and telling them to "man up". Not saying it's right, but it is what they'd say.

It's going to be at least two decades before we are willing to get rid of abusive garbage on the men's side.
 
dad4 said:
Sexist? Perhaps, but not in the way you said.

One big reason this story gets traction is because it is a women's program. At a men's program, almost everyone here would be dismissing the athletes and telling them to "man up". Not saying it's right, but it is what they'd say.

It's going to be at least two decades before we are willing to get rid of abusive garbage on the men's side.
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I did not specify which comments were sexist so how do you know?
 
Keepermom2 said:
You have greater than 20 women come forward (a couple who walked away from scholarships because of the toxic environment) to say something or corroborate the abuse from the past and present, most of which have nothing to gain from coming forward and more to lose hearing people like many of you diminish their argument to whether a coach should yell at players or not like that was the players' point. Ignorance!!!!!!!! Many of you also have the audacity to diminish what they had to say with sexist comments that I am pretty certain you are completely unaware are sexist. How many women coming forward does it take to be believed? You just have to read this thread to understand why a young women would not come forward to say anything.
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I believe all of the girls. However, Neil has had approximately 350 players in his program over the past ten years. If only 24 players thinks he’s an asshole, I’d say give the guy a raise!

Serious question, if you’d interacted with 350 players, how many would think you are a jackass?
 
MacDre said:
I believe all of the girls. However, Neil has had approximately 350 players in his program over the past ten years. If only 24 players thinks he’s an asshole, I’d say give the guy a raise!

Serious question, if you’d interacted with 350 players, how many would think you are a jackass?
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Cal does not have to give a reason as to why they will not renew his contract.
 
MacDre said:
Why would Cal want to fire a guy that only struck out 24 times out of 350 times at bat?

@dad4 what’s Neil’s batting average?
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more like 140 players. The roster does not fully turn over every year. Assuming 35 (which is too large) in year 1 and a 9 player frosh class thereafter, it’s about 140. Likely fewer though as most frosh classes are not as many as 9.
 
dk_b said:
more like 140 players. The roster does not fully turn over every year. Assuming 35 (which is too large) in year 1 and a 9 player frosh class thereafter, it’s about 140. Likely fewer though as most frosh classes are not as many as 9.
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Okay, I stand corrected. If Neil only struck out 24 times out of 140 times at bat, that makes his batting average .829 if my math is correct. That’s world class, hall of fame material. Now I’m thinking he should get a parking spot and a raise.
 
MacDre said:
Why would Cal want to fire a guy that only struck out 24 times out of 350 times at bat?

@dad4 what’s Neil’s batting average?
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Would you apply for a job if you knew that 17% of former employees claimed a hostile work environment?

I’d have to be pretty hard up for work before I accepted such an offer.

All depends on what you compare it to, doesn’t it?
 
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