CA youth sports

Chalklines said:
We haven't stopped air travel between states. If you want the numbers to stay down you cancel all flights for 45 days leaving the state starting November 15th. That alone will see a better result then wearing 25 masks and closing restraunts and small business.

I do agree we can't fully control the virus but we are able to slow it down to allow more vaccinations to happen but come holiday time all bets are off.
Click to expand...
By accelerating other health and well-being issues. Nonsense!

What is remedy for all the ills brought on by isolation over the holidays?
 
dad4 said:
Yet another Grace assertion that pretends to disprove peer reviewed epidemiology studies?

You write well, but you’re just wrong. People with actual training have studied this, and they disagree.
Click to expand...
The experts have been wrong about everything, as have people that have been clinging to the belief that we can control this. What’s worse is you guys are constantly goal post moving: 2 weeks, 6 weeks, 3 months, through the holidays, til elderly vaccinated, til everyone vaccinated, years. It’s enough. Get that you are scared but stop it.
 
Do you want the cross-immunity data on new variants before we triple the infection rates? Or just lose the masks, open the stadiums, and see what happens?

You see, even if you are right that it won’t get better, we can make it worse.....
[/QUOTE]
You appear a bit unhinged. First, you completely miss the timeline Grace gives on opening with your March Madness comment, then you talk about opening stadiums when she mentioned opening offices - after everyone has had the opportunity to get a vaccine. You are also completely ignoring the way you know these things will be implemented in CA - a step at a time. Right now, we can't even get the steps implemented that are completely supported by science - outdoor sports and schools open. All this because "we don't know" what will happen if we open (or we don't know if a particular group will continue to support the party's future re-election efforts). To that I'll counter, we do know what will happen if we don't. More people will lose their jobs, more children and adults will suffer the psychological damage associated with isolation and constant fear of what "can" happen.

In a related question, isn't Florida giving us a 4.5-month head start (and counting) on what things will look like if we open up to their level?
 
dad4 said:
But it isn't time for normal.

Some things need to be open. Eg: outdoor recreation.

Others need to be closed. Eg: pro sports stadiums.

The policy question is determining which things are open and which are closed. There will be some of each.

Asking for normal ( everything open ) in a pandemic is simply ridiculous.
Click to expand...
Is there any data about college or pro sports that allowed reduced capacity fan attendance causing outbreaks? If the answer is no, then we need to move forward with allowing fans. If they answer is yes, then that's a different story. The SuperBowl had 25K fans (yes, some were vaccinated), fans were allowed at some college and pro football games as well as fall college soccer and some MLS games. There should be plenty of data to pull from. Then there can be an informed decision made.
 
Grace T. said:
The experts have been wrong about everything, as have people that have been clinging to the belief that we can control this. What’s worse is you guys are constantly goal post moving: 2 weeks, 6 weeks, 3 months, through the holidays, til elderly vaccinated, til everyone vaccinated, years. It’s enough. Get that you are scared but stop it.
Click to expand...
The core of what you just said:

1- experts disagree with Grace.
2- experts are wrong about everything.
3- therefore Grace is right.

Then you return to random ad hominem accusations like "cling" and "scared".

Is that the best you can bring? A general purpose falsehood prover, and some personal attacks?
 
dad4 said:
The core of what you just said:

1- experts disagree with Grace.
2- experts are wrong about everything.
3- therefore Grace is right.

Then you return to random ad hominem accusations like "cling" and "scared".

Is that the best you can bring? A general purpose falsehood prover, and some personal attacks?
Click to expand...

its not intended at all as an ad hominem but an explanation as towhy you view things the way you do. The other dynamic here is that the is are perfectly content (if not happy) to live this way and can’t comprehend the damage they are doing to the es.

As for track records our side has been basically wrong about the herd immunity thresholds. The lockdowners have been pretty much wrong about everything else. As we’ve discussed before, for a variety of factors, outsiders with a little knowledge and a tendency to be skeptical will outperform the so-called experts when it comes to things like this (or the 08 crash)
 
The
TOSDCI said:
Is there any data about college or pro sports that allowed reduced capacity fan attendance causing outbreaks? If the answer is no, then we need to move forward with allowing fans. If they answer is yes, then that's a different story. The SuperBowl had 25K fans (yes, some were vaccinated), fans were allowed at some college and pro football games as well as fall college soccer and some MLS games. There should be plenty of data to pull from. Then there can be an informed decision made.
Click to expand...
It takes time and cooperation to get the stadium evidence you are asking for. If anyone has it, it's probably from the French games last summer.

It might just be an unstudied question. The full capacity, unmasked data was very convincing. It is not clear it was worth anyone's time to test the safety of 25% with partial masks.
 
dad4 said:
The

It takes time and cooperation to get the stadium evidence you are asking for. If anyone has it, it's probably from the French games last summer.

It might just be an unstudied question. The full capacity, unmasked data was very convincing. It is not clear it was worth anyone's time to test the safety of 25% with partial masks.
Click to expand...
Shouldn't the data from the fall be available by now? It seems like using contact tracing, we should have a good idea of outbreaks within 30 days of an event. Right? And if it's not worth studying at 25% capacity with masks, then it's safe enough to move forward starting with outdoor sports and then moving indoors.
 
dad4 said:
In your wish list, why does “I don’t want to wear a mask” rank equal to “I want 5 days per week of in person school for my child”?

One of these is a minor annoyance. The other is a major threat to the long term health of the economy. You have the two as equals.

It reads like a list of things that annoy Grace. That’s different from an actual long term plan for what we should and should not do.
Click to expand...
just to be clear, are you saying 5 days of in person learning for kids is a major threat to the long term health of the economy? or not having the kids in school is a major threat to the health of the economy?
 
dad4 said:
Yet another Grace assertion that pretends to disprove peer reviewed epidemiology studies?

You write well, but you’re just wrong. People with actual training have studied this, and they disagree.
Click to expand...
*People with actual training have studied this, and they often disagree with each other and change their positions.
 
TOSDCI said:
Shouldn't the data from the fall be available by now? It seems like using contact tracing, we should have a good idea of outbreaks within 30 days of an event. Right? And if it's not worth studying at 25% capacity with masks, then it's safe enough to move forward starting with outdoor sports and then moving indoors.
Click to expand...
Should be, but isn't. Our contact tracing stinks.

Honestly, why are you worried about pro sports when schools are still closed?
 
jimlewis said:
just to be clear, are you saying 5 days of in person learning for kids is a major threat to the long term health of the economy? or not having the kids in school is a major threat to the health of the economy?
Click to expand...
Closed schools, over time, are a major threat to the long term health of the economy.

Most of the other things are not.
 
My player returned from his scrimmage game with a smile and some video of a nice goal so good for those that can find a way.

I haven't been to any of the games in person for a long time but it's always nice to see the videos and him happy and looking forward to the president days tournaments out of state. Long drive for them but they love road trips so play on and enjoy life.
 
dad4 said:
Do you honestly think March Madness with full stadiums and no masks is a good idea this year?

If the answer is no, then we agree that it is not time for “normal“. We are, instead, discussing what kind of abnormal is appropriate.

“Learning to live with it“ needs to involve some learning. Keep the smart rules, like masks and indoor dining closures. Lose the dumb rules, like closing outdoor recreation opportunities. It does not mean “stubbornly pretend nothing is wrong”.
Click to expand...
Depends which normal you are coming from.

Have you maintained your normal job and income?

If the answer is yes, then when do you suggest is the right "normal" time for those whose jobs and income have been devastated by govt mandate since March?
 
dad4 said:
Yet another Grace assertion that pretends to disprove peer reviewed epidemiology studies?

You write well, but you’re just wrong. People with actual training have studied this, and they disagree.
Click to expand...
Have you read any peer reviewed studies from Child Psychologist or Economists with actual training and have studied this?
 
dad4 said:
Should be, but isn't. Our contact tracing stinks.

Honestly, why are you worried about pro sports when schools are still closed?
Click to expand...
I agree about the lack of contact tracing, but this is only part of what should be considered. There is a mountain of evidence that outside training - even in close proximity - is low risk. If it were high risk or even medium risk, we would have seen many, many outbreaks. Simply because we can't 100% determine whether a case came from close proximity, outdoor sports doesn't mean we shouldn't allow it, but this is the myopic view that CA is taking. What also needs to be considered are the following questions.

1) What other activities will children participate in if we don't allow outside sports activities?
2) What is the benefit to children by participating in these activities and what is the risk in not allowing these activities?

If children participate in higher-risk activities - going to other friends' houses or sitting/walking around outside in close proximity and talking - the "net" transmission risk is actually higher. That doesn't even consider the inarguable psychological benefits that exist from participation.

I hate to repeat myself, but the process where multiple clubs are now crammed into one private facility after not being allowed on county/city owned fields is not only counter-productive in terms of containing the virus, it is irrationality that rises to a legitimate symptom of mental illness.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top