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Do you honestly think March Madness with full stadiums and no masks is a good idea this year?

If the answer is no, then we agree that it is not time for “normal“. We are, instead, discussing what kind of abnormal is appropriate.

“Learning to live with it“ needs to involve some learning. Keep the smart rules, like masks and indoor dining closures. Lose the dumb rules, like closing outdoor recreation opportunities. It does not mean “stubbornly pretend nothing is wrong”.

In March, no. Vaccination of the elderly won't be completed by then. The NBA playoffs, yeah absolutely but with restrictions.

By fourth of July, lose the masks, open up the offices, send life back to normal. It's never going to get any better, and by then the IFR for this thing is lower than a seasonal flu.
 
In March, no. Vaccination of the elderly won't be completed by then. The NBA playoffs, yeah absolutely but with restrictions.

By fourth of July, lose the masks, open up the offices, send life back to normal. It's never going to get any better, and by then the IFR for this thing is lower than a seasonal flu.
Do you want the cross-immunity data on new variants before we triple the infection rates? Or just lose the masks, open the stadiums, and see what happens?

You see, even if you are right that it won’t get better, we can make it worse.....
 
Do you want the cross-immunity data on new variants before we triple the infection rates? Or just lose the masks, open the stadiums, and see what happens?

You see, even if you are right that it won’t get better, we can make it worse.....
The mask is something that should be recommended but not required by the time we get to May. Personally, I have no problems wearing a mask when I go shopping but I do have a problem seeing so many businesses going under. Grace is right, it’s not going to get any better during these summer months.
 
The mask is something that should be recommended but not required by the time we get to May. Personally, I have no problems wearing a mask when I go shopping but I do have a problem seeing so many businesses going under. Grace is right, it’s not going to get any better during these summer months.
You have one Doc to thank bro.

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The mask is something that should be recommended but not required by the time we get to May. Personally, I have no problems wearing a mask when I go shopping but I do have a problem seeing so many businesses going under. Grace is right, it’s not going to get any better during these summer months.

You guys are 100% fooling yourselves expecting things to get better by May. What part of people are idiots dont you understand? Every time a holiday comes around and travel (especially AIR Travel) happens we will see a major spike. IF the virus is not controlled by Thanksgiving of 2021 WE ARE FUCKED all over again because people do not understand how to stay home. You'll have have Thanksgiving travel followed by Christmas and New Years then Joe locking us down with fears of another dark winter.
 
You guys are 100% fooling yourselves expecting things to get better by May. What part of people are idiots dont you understand? Every time a holiday comes around and travel (especially AIR Travel) happens we will see a major spike. IF the virus is not controlled by Thanksgiving of 2021 WE ARE FUCKED all over again because people do not understand how to stay home. You'll have have Thanksgiving travel followed by Christmas and New Years then Joe locking us down with fears of another dark winter.
I stay home bro for 11 months now. So maybe 13 more if we all stay home? Dude, this is not about what you think this is about. I heard from rumor mill that the Winter of 2021 will be HELL!!!
 
You guys are 100% fooling yourselves expecting things to get better by May. What part of people are idiots dont you understand? Every time a holiday comes around and travel (especially AIR Travel) happens we will see a major spike. IF the virus is not controlled by Thanksgiving of 2021 WE ARE FUCKED all over again because people do not understand how to stay home. You'll have have Thanksgiving travel followed by Christmas and New Years then Joe locking us down with fears of another dark winter.

Better doesn’t mean disappearing. This is going to be here for many years regardless of what we do. I am saying that let’s enjoy the summer because it will be back again in the fall. Even in the highest controlled countries in the world, they haven’t been able to make it disappear.
Time for you to do some research if you think that covid can be eliminated.


 
Do you want the cross-immunity data on new variants before we triple the infection rates? Or just lose the masks, open the stadiums, and see what happens?

You see, even if you are right that it won’t get better, we can make it worse.....
We can’t live like this forever. We have the vaccines and nothing better is on horizon. You are talking restrictions and lockdowns for years which is absolutely insane. I get that you all are scared and in a mass panic but life is never 100% safe and you have to start living your lives.
 
You guys are 100% fooling yourselves expecting things to get better by May. What part of people are idiots dont you understand? Every time a holiday comes around and travel (especially AIR Travel) happens we will see a major spike. IF the virus is not controlled by Thanksgiving of 2021 WE ARE FUCKED all over again because people do not understand how to stay home. You'll have have Thanksgiving travel followed by Christmas and New Years then Joe locking us down with fears of another dark winter.
You guys are fooling yourself that there is anything we can do to control this virus. We can’t control flu. We don’t try to control flu despite it being more deadly to kids. I get that you are scared but life isn’t 100% safe and we aren’t going to get there any time soon. Everyone is going to eventually get this thing but with a lower ifr thanks to the vaccines
 
You guys are fooling yourself that there is anything we can do to control this virus. We can’t control flu. We don’t try to control flu despite it being more deadly to kids. I get that you are scared but life isn’t 100% safe and we aren’t going to get there any time soon. Everyone is going to eventually get this thing but with a lower ifr thanks to the vaccines
I have old pal friend who I got to speak with yesterday. I cant say what military or service he belongs to, but he just took his 2nd dose of the Vaccine. He said he got the chills and their multiplying. He also said he had no choice if he wanted to do have a job. No shot=find another line of work. That right their is insane. He was on the shot when I was talking to him and he looked bad, I wont lie. I saw fear, not the flu.
 
I have old pal friend who I got to speak with yesterday. I cant say what military or service he belongs to, but he just took his 2nd dose of the Vaccine. He said he got the chills and their multiplying. He also said he had no choice if he wanted to do have a job. No shot=find another line of work. That right their is insane. He was on the shot when I was talking to him and he looked bad, I wont lie. I saw fear, not the flu.
Yeah my cousin a nurse just got it. Was laid up with fever and chills for 2 days. My elderly folks felt nothing. The lockdowners are absolutely nuts if they think they want people to go through the vaccine thing (which for younger people is not pleasant...at least the mRNA ones) and then continue to put their lives on hold.
 
We can’t live like this forever. We have the vaccines and nothing better is on horizon. You are talking restrictions and lockdowns for years which is absolutely insane. I get that you all are scared and in a mass panic but life is never 100% safe and you have to start living your lives.

In your wish list, why does “I don’t want to wear a mask” rank equal to “I want 5 days per week of in person school for my child”?

One of these is a minor annoyance. The other is a major threat to the long term health of the economy. You have the two as equals.

It reads like a list of things that annoy Grace. That’s different from an actual long term plan for what we should and should not do.
 
Yeah my cousin a nurse just got it. Was laid up with fever and chills for 2 days. My elderly folks felt nothing. The lockdowners are absolutely nuts if they think they want people to go through the vaccine thing (which for younger people is not pleasant...at least the mRNA ones) and then continue to put their lives on hold.
Amazing. He told me he still has to wear a mask always because no one knows he already got shot twice and he's not a risk. I'm thinking maybe put a mark on their forehead, like maybe 666 or "R" for Rona? Grace, I speak satire, remember me that sweetheart. I love your boldness and ability to deal with these men.
 
In your wish list, why does “I don’t want to wear a mask” rank equal to “I want 5 days per week of in person school for my child”?

One of these is a minor annoyance. And there are costs such as the mask themselves ( if you are using them properly and buying new ones constantly and to the environment too and to social interaction). The other is a major threat to the long term health of the economy. You have the two as equals.

It reads like a list of things that annoy Grace. That’s different from an actual long term plan for what we should and should not do.
It’s not a minor annoyance. And they don’t help very much. Very little cost/little benefit= not worth it. If you are still scared after getting your vaccine sure wear one.

other than improve vaccines and focus on early treatments (which our pharma industry and health experts have refused to do) there’s not much else to plan. You are still under the illusion we can control this thing particularly over the long term
 
It’s not a minor annoyance. And they don’t help very much. Very little cost/little benefit= not worth it. If you are still scared after getting your vaccine sure wear one.

other than improve vaccines and focus on early treatments (which our pharma industry and health experts have refused to do) there’s not much else to plan. You are still under the illusion we can control this thing particularly over the long term
Other than you and some unqualified internet fools, who says masks are not effective?

The epidemiologists who study masks this put the reduction around 65-85% reduction in transmission. 95% CI in the Lancet meta-analysis.

Your counterargument seems to consist of assertions from Grace and videos from contrarian general practitioners.

Masks are cheap and they work. And we need them if we are going to open schools and offices before we have a vaccine for the S.A. variant.
 
You guys are fooling yourself that there is anything we can do to control this virus. We can’t control flu. We don’t try to control flu despite it being more deadly to kids. I get that you are scared but life isn’t 100% safe and we aren’t going to get there any time soon. Everyone is going to eventually get this thing but with a lower ifr thanks to the vaccines
We haven't stopped air travel between states. If you want the numbers to stay down you cancel all flights for 45 days leaving the state starting November 15th. That alone will see a better result then wearing 25 masks and closing restraunts and small business.

I do agree we can't fully control the virus but we are able to slow it down to allow more vaccinations to happen but come holiday time all bets are off.
 
Other than you and some unqualified internet fools, who says masks are not effective?

The epidemiologists who study masks this put the reduction around 65-85% reduction in transmission. 95% CI in the Lancet meta-analysis.

Your counterargument seems to consist of assertions from Grace and videos from contrarian general practitioners.

Masks are cheap and they work. And we need them if we are going to open schools and offices before we have a vaccine for the S.A. variant.
Then they’ll be another variant and then the flu will surge up again. You aren’t going to get to 100% safe. And masks do have costs: they aren’t free (you should be throwing them away instead of reusing them), harm social interactions, make it harder to breathe and create environmental waste. The proof is around the world that they don’t work: county curves between those implementing mask mandates and those not are near identical and no where around the world has been able to control this. I know you desperately need to cling to the idea we can control things and that you’ll be safe but it’s not realistic
 
We haven't stopped air travel between states. If you want the numbers to stay down you cancel all flights for 45 days leaving the state starting November 15th. That alone will see a better result then wearing 25 masks and closing restraunts and small business.

I do agree we can't fully control the virus but we are able to slow it down to allow more vaccinations to happen but come holiday time all bets are off.
I 100% agree with you- but, at this juncture stopping air travel would start an absolute shit storm. We should have done that earlier when people weren't so lockdown fatigued.
 
Then they’ll be another variant and then the flu will surge up again. You aren’t going to get to 100% safe. And masks do have costs: they aren’t free (you should be throwing them away instead of reusing them), harm social interactions, make it harder to breathe and create environmental waste. The proof is around the world that they don’t work: county curves between those implementing mask mandates and those not are near identical and no where around the world has been able to control this. I know you desperately need to cling to the idea we can control things and that you’ll be safe but it’s not realistic
Yet another Grace assertion that pretends to disprove peer reviewed epidemiology studies?

You write well, but you’re just wrong. People with actual training have studied this, and they disagree.
 
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