Bad News Thread

dad4 said:
All of this was explained to you repeatedly. Instead, you parrot whatever you have been told by some right wing fringe site that combs through 2000 emails, finds the ones that can be taken out of context, and misrepresents them
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So it is right wing now to review emails?

And the email in question regarding masks was not taken out if context. You are a believer and look for anything to justify your beliefs.

He was asked about risks and safety. Fauci said your typical masks are not capable of stopping something as small as a virus. He said masks are "ineffective".

That is not some right wing interpretation. That is exactly what he said and it wasn't taken out if context.

And that aligns with decades of research of mask effectiveness. They found that even in medical settings, used by people wearing them correctly, they had no effect in terms of stopping the transmission of the flu.

The only thing that changed this past yr was the politics of the issue and governments decided they needed the appearance of being able to do something. So they recommended masks.
 
Desert Hound said:
Yep. Same way the flu is transmitted. CDC has decades of studies showing masks don't stop the flu either.

And as stated we have the head of the NIH in his email to a colleague saying masks don't work.

But carry on believing.
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I point out that your "small size of the viruses" comment was incorrect. Then you suggest that I am the one just believing.
 
Desert Hound said:
Yep. Same way the flu is transmitted. CDC has decades of studies showing masks don't stop the flu either.

And as stated we have the head of the NIH in his email to a colleague saying masks don't work.

But carry on believing.
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Same as flu?

Ok. Let’s find out what you know about the flu.

First, tell us which whether flu has a protein coat, whether covid has a protein coat, and the role of a protein coat in hardening a virus. This will affect whether isolated virus particles can spread through the mask.

Once you have done that, tell us whether flu likes larger or smaller water drops, whether covid likes larger or smaller droplets, and how particle size affects the probability that a water particle will be diverted by the dipole interactions with those hydrophilic bits.

You can do it! It’s just like Milliken’s oil drop experiment, except the particles are different sizes. That gives you a square/cube law problem, because goes by the cube of the radius, but dipole moment is different….

Next, show us your aging study about masks and influenza source control. We’ll want to know the size of the study, and the error bounds on the estimated effect on transmissibility. You should be able to find something like “95% confident that the effect of masks is between negative 57% and positive 45%”. If you’re really lucky, they will tell you the size of the effect the stidy was capable, and not capable, of finding. For example, the Dutch study was designed to detect a 50% decrease in transmission to the wearer. ( It failed to do so. )

I’ll bet that you haven’t a clue how to do any of that.

Provide a link to your silly smoking gun email. We can read it for you and tell you what they were really saying.
 
dad4 said:
Just run the number and tell me what happens over the next 9 months if the India/Delta variant is in the US now with 100 or so cases, vaccinations are 10% above at current levels, and we return everything to 2019 standards.

Once you’ve done that, then tell me how severe my phobia is. Those are not unreasonable assumptions.
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No offense but I don't need to run any numbers to determine that you have a severe phobia. You've proven it over 298 pages. The sky is not falling and none of your worst case scenarios have come true.

Even if we run into some future bumps with the virus, which I don't expect, but are possible, we are way past the point of further lockdowns which would be untenable, unreasonable and unproductive.

We're both entitled to our own phobias, but were not entitled to have the public cater to them. It's our own personal responsibility deal with them. You don't have to come out of your bunker, but we're not required to join you.
 
watfly said:
No offense but I don't need to run any numbers to determine that you have a severe phobia. You've proven it over 298 pages. The sky is not falling and none of your worst case scenarios have come true.

Even if we run into some future bumps with the virus, which I don't expect, but are possible, we are way past the point of further lockdowns which would be untenable, unreasonable and unproductive.

We're both entitled to our own phobias, but were not entitled to have the public cater to them. It's our own personal responsibility deal with them. You don't have to come out of your bunker, but we're not required to join you.
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These Dads in Cali are milk toast wimps bro. I can;t take it anymore. I had one ask me kindly to wear my mask this morning. I kindly said i had my "Vs" and he said, "ok, but can you please put mask on. People are scared still." I said no more and he said, "ok."
 
Desert Hound said:
This is your argument for long term restrictions and wearing useless masks
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I said 2 months ago that my opinion on ending masks depends on what we learn about variants.

Since then, we have found a variant that is much more transmissible than the UK and LA variants. Turns out it is also more able to cause damage to younger people.

Which means we have to keep some of our anti-covid measures longer. Which sucks, in a first world problem kind of way. It sucks even more for the countries which will be facing the same thing with almost no vaccines.
 
watfly said:
No offense but I don't need to run any numbers to determine that you have a severe phobia. You've proven it over 298 pages. The sky is not falling and none of your worst case scenarios have come true.

Even if we run into some future bumps with the virus, which I don't expect, but are possible, we are way past the point of further lockdowns which would be untenable, unreasonable and unproductive.

We're both entitled to our own phobias, but were not entitled to have the public cater to them. It's our own personal responsibility deal with them. You don't have to come out of your bunker, but we're not required to join you.
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You are saying that we, as a society, should make a trade. Accept 50K additional deaths. In return, we do not have to wear masks.

That is a bad deal. The cost of 50K deaths is not worth the benefit of 9 months without masks.

School and business closures are a different question. But masks? You really want to accept a significantly higher death rate just to avoid masks?
 
dad4 said:
You are saying that we, as a society, should make a trade. Accept 50K additional deaths. In return, we do not have to wear masks.

That is a bad deal. The cost of 50K deaths is not worth the benefit of 9 months without masks.

School and business closures are a different question. But masks? You really want to accept a significantly higher death rate just to avoid masks?
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I'm following the "science" of the CDC.:p
 
Desert Hound said:
So it is right wing now to review emails?

And the email in question regarding masks was not taken out if context. You are a believer and look for anything to justify your beliefs.

He was asked about risks and safety. Fauci said your typical masks are not capable of stopping something as small as a virus. He said masks are "ineffective".

That is not some right wing interpretation. That is exactly what he said and it wasn't taken out if context.

And that aligns with decades of research of mask effectiveness. They found that even in medical settings, used by people wearing them correctly, they had no effect in terms of stopping the transmission of the flu.

The only thing that changed this past yr was the politics of the issue and governments decided they needed the appearance of being able to do something. So they recommended masks.
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Link? I have no idea which of the emails you are referring to. Sounds like you’re quoting Fauci from February, 2020, and some decades old influenza studies that never had the sample size to detect a moderate effect.
 
crush said:
These Dads in Cali are milk toast wimps bro. I can;t take it anymore. I had one ask me kindly to wear my mask this morning. I kindly said i had my "Vs" and he said, "ok, but can you please put mask on. People are scared still." I said no more and he said, "ok."
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Interesting. Did you have your Vs?
 
dad4 said:
Just run the number and tell me what happens over the next 9 months if the India/Delta variant is in the US now with 100 or so cases, vaccinations are 10% above at current levels, and we return everything to 2019 standards.
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Florida & Texas stay open, but that doesn’t have anything to do with the numbers.
 
dad4 said:
Interesting. Did you have your Vs?
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Do you believe in God, yes or no? Today is D-Day so answer honestly too. No more freaking lies, ok? If you answer correctly, I will answer honestly with you. If no answer to my God Q, then sorry Charlie, no "V" answer.....lol. Come on man :)
 
N00B said:
Florida & Texas stay open, but that doesn’t have anything to do with the numbers.
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It isn't the numbers- not even the financial ones. There is no economic case for TX ending the mask mandates or FL picking a fight with the cruise ship industry. Those are political attempts to win the anti-mask and anti-vax vote.

If you want to help the economy, you allow vaccine passports for high risk industries. Carnival can sell more tickets to “100% vaccinated” cruises than they can sell for unvaccinated cruises.
 
dad4 said:
It isn't the numbers- not even the financial ones. There is no economic case for TX ending the mask mandates or FL picking a fight with the cruise ship industry. Those are political attempts to win the anti-mask and anti-vax vote.

If you want to help the economy, you allow vaccine passports for high risk industries. Carnival can sell more tickets to “100% vaccinated” cruises than they can sell for unvaccinated cruises.
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Ummm… Carnival can sell more cruise tickets when everyone can buy them, vaccinated or not. Are you sure you understand their business model and customers?

Sometimes we speak to fast and only from our own perspective. Think about your statement and if you still believe it after considering consumer behavior, demographics, basic economics and plain logic…. I’d love to hear your reason.
 
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