I haven't lived in Poway for about 5 years now. My wife gets out more than I do (she is still working) so she occasionally brings me home some sushi (and she makes some pretty good sushi herself).
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I haven't lived in Poway for about 5 years now. My wife gets out more than I do (she is still working) so she occasionally brings me home some sushi (and she makes some pretty good sushi herself).
Your science is a bit off.
Unless vaccines completely eliminate transmission, then you still have some benefit from masks.
Part of that benefit is keeping the social norm of masks. We still have over 40% of people unvaccinated. The vaccine holdouts are not going to mask up if the rest of us go bare faced.
And, if the unvaccinated 40% skip masks, it will take that much longer for cases and deaths to drop.
Hüsker Dü
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I have bought sushi at markets, even at 7-11’s, in Japan in that type packaging. Even got some late at night that was drastically discounted, always tasted great, no issues.
Instead our 7-11s sell 100 different types of chips.
The mask less unvaccinated in about 3 weeks time will have assumed the risk.
Like it or not, even vaccinated people have a good reason to want covid cases lower.
I know “vaccinated = zero risk” is a convenient approximation. It’s close to true. But, as you would say, that’s micro. It really only explains the short to medium term effect on individuals.
On a macro, population wide scale, it’s different. Having 60% vaccinated while 40% keep the virus alive is just a recipe for creating vaccine resistant variants. Eventually, we have to get our act together and vaccinate the remainder of adults.
Bruddah IZ
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Bruddah IZ
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Wrong again
again as we’ve discussed if the variant risk is what you are worried about: a. That’s really an argument for forcing the remaining 40%...to get there though you’d have to remove the eu label first and I rather use soft incentives first and b. Worlds not finished until 2023 so unless you are going to finish trumps wall, shut the borders even to American citizens and ground the planes, you are worried about the horses after they’ve fled the barn.
but then you are a preacher so you worry about these silly little things rather than the big things because that’s what’s important to you.
Desert Hound
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And you just went off the rails again.
You are not going to get buy in from people if they get vaccinated and then still have to play safety theater.
Tuckers nonsensical rant notwithstanding there have been a few reports of GB syndrome with the mRNA vaccines (from the news reports at least as many as the blood clots from the j&j vaccine in the us). But GB happens with quite a few vaccines and the incidence is really low and can also happen with natural infections. The media isn’t reporting and Twitter is soft censoring for fear of setting off a panic for something which shouldn’t.
there’s also been a rash of heart attacks but since we are vaccinating so many people and there are bound to be coincidences which otherwise would have happened, tuckers rant notwithstanding, it’s hard to distinguish that from the noise.
still the handling of the j&j shot and their unwillingness to look at this doesn’t exactly raise confidence when it comes to vaccinating the kids
Bruddah IZ
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But SAR's enters the body through ears, nose and mouth. Vaccines Uber direct to the blood stream. Comparing transmission of the actual virus and a shot that is not the virus makes little sense. Natural infections are natural. Virus's are and always will be a part of the evolutionary process. We are bathed in virus's daily. Our innate and adaptive immune systems contain the intel to fight off virtually all virus's. Billions are without vaccines. A world population of 7.7 billion doesn't happen without a robust and evolving immune system.
Yeah, but like everything it's not free. It comes at the cost which is mostly born by the old people but also every once in a while it also strikes down someone younger in their 50s 40s and even 30s. It's a da kine thing.
Small pox was also natural and we had dealt with it as far back as the Roman Empire. Struck down millions over recorded history. I doubt anyone mourns the disappearance of small pox.
Natural infection is about on par with the first vaccine dose, at least so they think. The protocol they are studying in the UK is if you've had it, you may only need the 1 shot, but they aren't sure yet.
Why assume that getting to the remaining 40% means force? Most places are focusing on outreach.
As a practical matter, most places which care enough to do vaccine passports probably care enough to reach herd immunity without them.
We agree then. I don't think force is required. I do think more outreach is. I'd actually do a lottery with big cash prize. A substantial portion also I suspect is people who have had COVID who are waiting. My bestie is being advised by her doctor to wait 90 days post COVID. But until you get the EU label removed, I don't think even soft force (like vaccine passports required to board airplanes) are justified, especially when it comes to the kids.
Even UC didn’t require vaccinations until full approval.
I do see a role for allowing high risk places to open for vaccinated customers. I’d like to see some MLS games, but I do not think they should be allowed to open to non-vaccinated customers. If you don’t allow some kind of vaccine requirement, you end up keeping things closed longer than is really necessary.
However, I love the Yankees promo for a free ticket with your vaccination.
Bruddah IZ
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The fake Vaccines are uncounted mulligans to the green and a 3 foot putt. Natural infections play excellent long and short game with natural outcomes (cost) that aren't mandated except by the evolutionary process. Interventionism, the euphemism for socialism, is being mandated for the Corona virus which has been with us since long before the current fake crisis.
There would be too much liability if they required only a vaccine to watch MLS games while the EU label is in place....that's why a lot of places seem to be headed to vaccine or a COVID test 72 hours in advance.....seems like blue state sleep away camps may end there and Staples has it in place for certain sections.
Bruddah IZ
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Why assume that Outreach removes force?
In other words. Apply force. You crack me up dude.