Bad News Thread

It's where we are now as a country, Crush. Generally, we can't even have civil political debates as a society. It's sad. Oddly enough, the ones we have here (minus the troll and his multiple aliases) are quite civil. I strongly believe in getting the vaccine, but not so much that I want to force anyone to do so. I believe that is counterproductive in the long run and further divides us as a nation. It's more important for me to listen and attempt to understand opposing viewpoints than to convince others that my thoughts are superior. To me, the type of power needed to force others to get a vaccine against their will is worse than the disease. I'm not saying that there isn't a disease or situation where I wouldn't consider it, but it's not this one.
I super appreciate you kicking and screaming. I feel your support, I truly do. We will all find out soon what's truly happening. My out-laws have a different attitude. They think my wife and I are being selfish and holding up the normal life we were all promised. Check this out. One of my wife's relatives has a boyfriend now who is also a big time teacher. I just met this dude Sunday. First impression: Super over weight and has heart issues from eating fast food all the time and looks horrible physically. This guy lectured me for over 30 minutes on why I need the shot and how proud he is for getting his shots. I told him the best thing to do is to be healthy and stop eating red meat, fast food and all the poison in the foods. Dude walked away from me and told me, "You will need to get the shot if you want to travel." He said it with a smirk so we shall see. This is going to be way more intense then being yelled at from a Starbucks Batista for wearing my mask below my nose. Just wait bro. I hope when they drag me off to the nut farm you will stand up and defend my rights. Will you take a bullet for me so I dont have to take the shots?
 
It's where we are now as a country, Crush. Generally, we can't even have civil political debates as a society. It's sad. Oddly enough, the ones we have here (minus the troll and his multiple aliases) are quite civil. I strongly believe in getting the vaccine, but not so much that I want to force anyone to do so. I believe that is counterproductive in the long run and further divides us as a nation. It's more important for me to listen and attempt to understand opposing viewpoints than to convince others that my thoughts are superior. To me, the type of power needed to force others to get a vaccine against their will is worse than the disease. I'm not saying that there isn't a disease or situation where I wouldn't consider it, but it's not this one.
As usual, I agree with you 100%.

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but to me this is a symptom of the growing culture of being more concerned with other people's behaviors instead of your own. This mentality impacts all facets of our lives these days, and in particular, the Covid response. Your odds of contracting Covid were overwhelming based upon your own behavior and not the behavior of others. I was raised differently, so I just don't understand the mentality of people telling others what is best for their life and family. I understand and support having an opinion, but taking away someone's legal choices because you think you know what's better for me is antithetical to our Country's well founded philosophies. There is "more that one way to skin a cat", yet some powers to be (arguably the elitists, academics so-called intellectuals and/or the self professed experts) believe that they know the right way for everyone. Purely for illustration purposes...Dad4 and I took dramatically different approaches to the pandemic, yet we both reached the same result. He took the "overcautious" approach, and I took what I believed to be the "balanced" approach. We were both happy with our CHOICES and that's how it should be.

One of the interesting ironies of the being more concerned for others behavior, as opposed to you own, is that it leads to a lack of accountability for the individual and promotes a victim mentality. It also leads to this inability to have civil debates.

Compliance through fear is never going to work on the majority of Americans, but that is the exact methodology the was used by most of our "leadership". Let's look back on some of the things we were told about the virus. You remember when we were told we needed to sanitize our groceries and the boxes we received in the mail? This is my personal favorite, we were told by an "expert" at Scripps that sea breezes could carry the virus long distances:
That may be the worst recommendation ever among hundreds of bad predictions and recommendations. The beach is actually where we should all of been exercising, getting fresh air and Vitamin D. Instead they closed beaches. Simply issuing "Stay at Home" orders was the worst approach ever.
 
This is my personal favorite, we were told by an "expert" at Scripps that sea breezes could carry the virus long distances:
That may be the worst recommendation ever among hundreds of bad predictions and recommendations. The beach is actually where we should all of been exercising, getting fresh air and Vitamin D. Instead they closed beaches. Simply issuing "Stay at Home" orders was the worst approach ever.

It's an illness. They don't even realize it. In her defense, she may really believe she is contributing to the good of humanity. Her job is secure, she doesn't have any skin in the game.
 
It's an illness. They don't even realize it. In her defense, she may really believe she is contributing to the good of humanity. Her job is secure, she doesn't have any skin in the game.
We're all screwed for the next pandemic. The "crying wolf" by experts, politicians and the media will make compliance, even to good faith restrictions, relatively low.

The virus in most situations was not highly contagious and very rarely fatal, except for the most compromised. The most dangerous thing about this virus was its unpredictability.
 
What's the deal with this new medical term called "Vaccidents?" I hear folks on the way back from getting shot have a stroke and crash into wall? This is not satire and not a joke and not being Pokey. It's an honest question. Has anyone heard about this?
 
Fauci seems confused despite Guthrie trying to help him out but he seems to suggest a vaccinated or unvaccinated adult can walk home without a mask, but a child can't, despite the child being at lower risk than the unvaccinated adult and COVID only very rarely seriously impacts them

I saw that this morning. He's the undisputed king of mixed messaging which is pretty impressive since he has a lot of competition. How he is still the face of national Covid policy is mind boggling...well actually I know how, he is politically untouchable and the media has given him cult level status.
 
We're all screwed for the next pandemic. The "crying wolf" by experts, politicians and the media will make compliance, even to good faith restrictions, relatively low.

The virus in most situations was not highly contagious and very rarely fatal, except for the most compromised. The most dangerous thing about this virus was its unpredictability.
No doubt - you can't put the genie back in the bottle.

It was political from day one, both sides at fault. Every layer of the response/services infrastructure has been infected and paralyzed by picking a side.
 
Yellow, even with the adjustments, was always going to be close to but not quite impossible to get to for some counties.....

Yellow was never impossible. Back in early March, most CA counties were on pace to hit yellow some time in April. Cases were falling by 50% every two weeks. If we had kept it up, statewide cases would be at about 300 right now, and every county would be in yellow.

That’s not what we did. In early March, we decided that opening restaurants was more important than low case counts or in person school. As a result, our progress froze and we’ve been hovering at 2-3K cases per day.

But don’t say it is impossible to drive case counts down. We did it for a good two months before we decided that pasta carbonara was more important.
 
Yellow was never impossible. Back in early March, most CA counties were on pace to hit yellow some time in April. Cases were falling by 50% every two weeks. If we had kept it up, statewide cases would be at about 300 right now, and every county would be in yellow.

That’s not what we did. In early March, we decided that opening restaurants was more important than low case counts or in person school. As a result, our progress froze and we’ve been hovering at 2-3K cases per day.

But don’t say it is impossible to drive case counts down. We did it for a good two months before we decided that saving people's livelihoods was just as important
I have a hard time understanding how someone can easily cast aside the health and welfare of an entire group of people. We can walk and chew gum. Is 2-3K cases a day a load that the healthcare system can't tolerate? How many asymptomatic cases are a percentage of 2-3K a day?

I'm not really looking for a response from you, we see this through different lenses.
 
Fauci seems confused despite Guthrie trying to help him out but he seems to suggest a vaccinated or unvaccinated adult can walk home without a mask, but a child can't, despite the child being at lower risk than the unvaccinated adult and COVID only very rarely seriously impacts them

That was the most infuriating interview to watch!

Further cements my belief that Faucci has an agenda or is now starving for attention like a Khardashian.
 
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