Your suggestion that masks do not work is one of those falsehoods.
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Your suggestion that masks do not work is one of those falsehoods.
The truth or falseness of this all circles around how one defines "work" (i.e., what one expects them to do).
and type of mask.
Desert Hound
DA
Here is the CDC talking about why the vaccinated should wear a mask. It isn't because they are worried about transmission.
Desert Hound
DA
Actually it isn't. You just choose not to pay attention.
Just last week I posted a study from the National Institute of Health. To remind you that is our nations medical research center. This study just came out recently as well.
What did they say regarding masks?
"Although, scientific evidence supporting facemasks’ efficacy is lacking, adverse physiological, psychological and health effects are established."
"The physical properties of medical and non-medical facemasks suggest that facemasks are ineffective to block viral particles due to their difference in scales [16], [17], [25]. According to the current knowledge, the virus SARS-CoV-2 has a diameter of 60 nm to 140 nm [nanometers (billionth of a meter)] [16], [17], while medical and non-medical facemasks’ thread diameter ranges from 55 µm to 440 µm [micrometers (one millionth of a meter), which is more than 1000 times larger [25]. Due to the difference in sizes between SARS-CoV-2 diameter and facemasks thread diameter (the virus is 1000 times smaller), SARS-CoV-2 can easily pass through any facemask [25]."
So...no @espola I am not spreading falsehoods. I am telling you what the science is saying.
Because you are a true believer or have not actually bothered to read the studies, means that you still think masks are effective.
If you want me to post again...I can post recent studies form the EU CDC and the WHO who both also state that they don't know if masks work and want more studies to see if they do.
Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis - PMC
Many countries across the globe utilized medical and non-medical facemasks as non-pharmaceutical intervention for reducing the transmission and infectivity of coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19). Although, scientific evidence supporting facemasks’ ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Desert Hound
DA
And the last quote from the study above said the following:
"A meta-analysis among health care workers found that compared to no masks, surgical mask and N95 respirators were not effective against transmission of viral infections or influenza-like illness based on six RCTs [28]. Using separate analysis of 23 observational studies, this meta-analysis found no protective effect of medical mask or N95 respirators against SARS virus [28]. A recent systematic review of 39 studies including 33,867 participants in community settings (self-report illness), found no difference between N95 respirators versus surgical masks and surgical mask versus no masks in the risk for developing influenza or influenza-like illness, suggesting their ineffectiveness of blocking viral transmissions in community settings [29]."
I know you want to believe....but I am not spreading falsehoods.
It appears you started with a preferred conclusion and went looking for publications (or, as in this case, a "hypothesis") that support it.
I'm still waiting to hear your description of how vaccines work.
"The author of the article, Baruch Vainshelboim, is listed as part of the cardiology division at the Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System at Stanford University. But he has no affiliation with Stanford, according to the university. Stanford School of Medicine spokeswoman Julie Greicius said in a prepared statement that Stanford supports the use of face masks to control the spread of COVID-19."
Fact check: Study falsely claiming face masks are harmful, ineffective is not linked to Stanford
A mask study in Medical Hypotheses links its author to Stanford; the university said he isn't affiliated. Further the study pushes debunked theories.
www.usatoday.com
So is being told to put on a mask while pumping gas at a CA Costco irrational or overcautious?
So what, he's correct regardless.
I love Dad4 and Espola's "yeah, but" debate tactics. It's effective because it works for everything and can go on for infinity.
The USA Today article I linked debunks Professor von Numbnuts pretty thoroughly.
Here it is again ---
Fact check: Study falsely claiming face masks are harmful, ineffective is not linked to Stanford
A mask study in Medical Hypotheses links its author to Stanford; the university said he isn't affiliated. Further the study pushes debunked theories.
www.usatoday.com
I'd probably go with unnecessary, unless you were sniffing the gas in which case I'd recommend a respirator.
The USA Today article I linked debunks Professor von Numbnuts pretty thoroughly.
Here it is again ---
Fact check: Study falsely claiming face masks are harmful, ineffective is not linked to Stanford
A mask study in Medical Hypotheses links its author to Stanford; the university said he isn't affiliated. Further the study pushes debunked theories.www.usatoday.com
DH could have done his credibility a favor with a little research into the author --
Seeing Is Not Necessarily Believing | Amgen Biotech Experience
www.amgenbiotechexperience.com
DH could have done his credibility a favor with a little research into the author --
Seeing Is Not Necessarily Believing | Amgen Biotech Experience
And more --
Stories Falsely Cite 'Stanford Study' to Misinform on Face Masks - FactCheck.org
Stanford Medicine says it "strongly supports the use of face masks to control the spread of COVID-19." Yet viral stories falsely claim a "Stanford study" showed that face masks are unsafe and ineffective against COVID-19. The paper is a hypothesis, not a study, from someone with no current...
www.factcheck.org
And more --
Stories Falsely Cite 'Stanford Study' to Misinform on Face Masks - FactCheck.org
Stanford Medicine says it "strongly supports the use of face masks to control the spread of COVID-19." Yet viral stories falsely claim a "Stanford study" showed that face masks are unsafe and ineffective against COVID-19. The paper is a hypothesis, not a study, from someone with no current...
And now something about the Journal Medical Hypotheses in which von Numbnuts published his work ==
"A previous editor wrote in 2008: “The journal’s official stance is that more harm is done by a failure to publish one idea that might have been true, than by publishing a dozen ideas that turn out to be false.”
This suggests that theories in the journal should, at the very least, be taken with a pinch of salt.
Claims that the journal is peer-reviewed are misleading.
Peer review is a form of quality control whereby independent experts assess the methods, results and conclusions made by a forthcoming scientific paper, prior to publication.
In an interview in 2010, the current editor of Medical Hypotheses said that the journal would not use “classical peer review”. "
Error-strewn paper claims face masks are ineffective and harmful – Full Fact
The ‘peer-reviewed paper from Stanford’ is not from Stanford and may not have been conventionally peer-reviewed.
fullfact.org
And now something about the Journal Medical Hypotheses in which von Numbnuts published his work ==
"A previous editor wrote in 2008: “The journal’s official stance is that more harm is done by a failure to publish one idea that might have been true, than by publishing a dozen ideas that turn out to be false.”
This suggests that theories in the journal should, at the very least, be taken with a pinch of salt.
Claims that the journal is peer-reviewed are misleading.
Peer review is a form of quality control whereby independent experts assess the methods, results and conclusions made by a forthcoming scientific paper, prior to publication.
In an interview in 2010, the current editor of Medical Hypotheses said that the journal would not use “classical peer review”. "
Error-strewn paper claims face masks are ineffective and harmful – Full Fact
The ‘peer-reviewed paper from Stanford’ is not from Stanford and may not have been conventionally peer-reviewed.
And finally --
"FALSE"
The paper was published by an exercise physiologist with no academic connection to Stanford University or the NIH in a journal that accepts "radical, speculative and non-mainstream scientific ideas."
Did a 'Stanford/NIH' Study Conclude Masks Don't Work?
Really depends on how you define these words: Stanford, NIH, Study, Conclude, Mask, and Work.
www.snopes.com
“it’s a list of generally discredited hypotheses that have been tested and disproved. … it isn’t science.”
Interesting. If news starts circulating more freely about Gullain Barre in Pfizer I'd think we see a similar effect.
Yellow, even with the adjustments, was always going to be close to but not quite impossible to get to for some counties.....
I got told twice today by some so called friends of mine to do the right thing. I asked, "and what is the right thing to do?" They said, "get the dam shot and STFU so we can get back to Normal. BG says we should be back to Mr and Mrs Normal family by end of 2022 as long as everyone obeys and get injected twice and every year thereafter. Just like all the other flu shots. That means we have 18 more months of this hate filled life that is filled with fear. Do the right thing and get the shots they say.
kickingandscreaming
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It's where we are now as a country, Crush. Generally, we can't even have civil political debates as a society. It's sad. Oddly enough, the ones we have here (minus the troll and his multiple aliases) are quite civil. I strongly believe in getting the vaccine, but not so much that I want to force anyone to do so. I believe that is counterproductive in the long run and further divides us as a nation. It's more important for me to listen and attempt to understand opposing viewpoints than to convince others that my thoughts are superior. To me, the type of power needed to force others to get a vaccine against their will is worse than the disease. I'm not saying that there isn't a disease or situation where I wouldn't consider it, but it's not this one.