I've never worn a mask outside exercising, but I do step away from the trail or path a few feet to let people pass (mask or no mask) just out of courtesy and to avoid confrontation from the Chicken Littles. Irrational fear othen leads to irrational behavior.
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It's kind of like the ol soccer you can't impede v. every player is entitled to their space. Was I entering into their space or were they entering into mine? ^\_(;?)_/^
It’s just basic politeness. It you see someone with a mask, you know that they, in their view, consider it appropriate. So you put yours on as you pass.
It doesn’t really matter whose risk assessment is most accurate.
I don't carry a mask exercising, I give them their 6 feet. Only idiots think you can get Covid by passing by someone outdoors. Fortunately only a small minority still wear masks outside, which is restoring my faith in people's common sense.
Don't know if you caught the press conference, but I feel so lucky that Joe may allow us to celebrate the 4th of July. I think I can be obedient for another 6 weeks. We get to celebrate both our independence from England and Covid lockdown tyranny.
Desert Hound
DA
What is amazing is how they have a substantial amount of activities for VACCINATED people needing masks.
BS. If you are vaccinated you are good to go. You are neither at any real risk of catching covid NOR are you a risk to spread covid.
There is nothing the vaccination that inhibits the virus from entering your body or for it to spread from there to others. The vaccination makes it less likely that the virus will grow well enough in your body to make you ill.
Things in Japan not looking too great either. At this rate they'll hit at least their winter peak, which wasn't as bad in comparison to say Europe, but Japan has only vaccinated 1% of its population and it's testing is still really shoddy. Their death rate is still relatively low...we'll see if that changes but their policy of focusing on protecting the elderly did hold down deaths during the winter wave.
www.axios.com
South Korea despite all their precautions is now near 800 cases per day.
www.worldometers.info
Japan rocked by fourth COVID wave months before Olympics
Bars, department stores and theaters across Japan will be closed for 17 days.
www.axios.com
South Korea despite all their precautions is now near 800 cases per day.
South Korea COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
South Korea Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
While it hasn't been firmly established yet, like many (most?) vaccines, there is proof growing that vaccination also makes it less likely that you'll pass it on to others, perhaps substantially, though there are breakthrough infections, and breakthrough infections of others.
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Desert Hound
DA
Actually that is false. So far they have found that vaccinated people are not spreaders of the virus.
It's official: Vaccinated people don't spread COVID-19
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky this week declared that "vaccinated people do not carry the virus."
Actually that is false. So far they have found that vaccinated people are not spreaders of the virus.
It's official: Vaccinated people don't spread COVID-19
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky this week declared that "vaccinated people do not carry the virus."fortune.com
Nothing I posted was false. From the article you linked --
" very unlikely to spread it to other people"
kickingandscreaming
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Maybe we should flip a coin?Yes, Osterholm’s projection was way off, and epidemiologists are not the type to have a feud on national TV.
I take it you keep posting this because you want to undermine anything else we hear from epidemiologists.
India had a similar reaction. They decided that the eggheads clearly don’t know what they are talking about. Here’s an article from a month ago, explaining that epidemiologists predictions are all wrong, and that Indians have nothing to worry about.
Covid-19 in India: Five predictions that turned out to be false | India News - Times of India
India News: NEW DELHI: It has been a year since India announced one of the most stringent nationwide lockdowns in the world to curb the spread of Covid-19.timesofindia.indiatimes.com
Five weeks later, India has the world’s worst case spike and is in desperate need of medical help. Maybe those eggheads knew a little bit after all.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
This is my behavior and thought process as well.
Just think about where you want to be, given that you have imperfect information and will slightly miss your target. You can try to ride the edge of just enough caution to avoid a giant wave, but you will sometimes get it wrong. That is Michigan last month, or India today.
Being overcautious is simple. Being careless is easy. Staying one inch below disaster is difficult, if not impossible.
And you have advocates for each. Overcautious (me). Careless (hound). One inch below disaster (Grace)
Desert Hound
DA
Yeah so they don't/or are unlikely.
As such ditch the mask.
We don't vaccinate people for other diseases and then tell them to mask up, etc.
Especially in light of the fact that as of now the research cannot show a benefit in wearing a mask.
So time to move back to life as normal.
Just because you have posted an error many times does not make it true (except in your own head, I admit).
I know pretty well how vaccines work. I am interested in listening to your personal theory.
There an infinity of ways how a cost-benefit analysis can work out. Such an analysis should not, however, be based on falsehoods.
Once again, you misconstrue and assume the worst, just like you always do, like you did assuming I go off and party indoors all the time. Once again, you neglect that your overcautiousness has led you to be consistently wrong.
I've never advocated no restrictions. Even Sweden doesn't have no restrictions. I've advocated an approach more like Sweden/Florida, but with periodic restrictions reserved for when things get really bad. Like Florida and Japan, I thought we needed to do a better job of protecting seniors. I wasn't opposed to indoor mask mandates, but I thought the restrictions were too severe with children and the handicapable, I thought we should have been honest about what they could actually accomplish, and I thought outdoor mandates were stupid. And I opposed restrictions on schools and sports. I thought even Trump's travel ban and airplane restrictions were too weak. And unlike you, I never was a hypocrite by agreeing to go to a high risk hotel.
In the end there's a record of which one of us was more right than the other and it's not you. And again, you really should look at the company you are keeping.
May as well....even a broken clock gets it right 2x a day.
BTW "scared" is another word for "overcautious"
Desert Hound
DA
The data I pull are from the CDC, WHO, the EU version of the CDC, etc.
That is the problem you and others have. You don't actually go look at the data and the studies.
So you are stuck listening to the news and some talking head say wear a mask they work. Or recently Fauci was saying there were no studies on a certain issue, despite the fact that the CDC just a few weeks ago had came out with one that contradicted his point.
Apparently "overcautious" is also a euphemism for "irrational fear", a fact I was unaware of until recently.