Bad News Thread

happy9 said:
Silly argument. It's disgusting and shameful that the media used the story line that someone had their head violently bashed in with a fire extinguisher and died at the point of injury as a rallying cry. It was repeated over and over again. It was a lie and they knew it - but it sounded so cool and dramatic. Sounds so much better to say he had his head bashed in rather than an allergic reaction to pepper spray/mace. Which is interesting since most law enforcement undergo pepper spray training. We'll never really know since his body was cremated. I have some beachfront property in AZ to sell you if you think the yet to be released coroner reports will be truthful. Are you defending the media?

And all of the victims who died onboard airplanes and in buildings on 911 were murdered. That was the point.
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How do you feel about the law enforcement officers that committed suicide? Do you feel the same about military and ex-military individuals that suffer from PTSD that commit suicide? How about the first responders that ran into the twin towers on 9/11 to try to save lives? Are these people just “suckers and losers” because they put their lives on the line for others?
 
Hüsker Dü said:
How do you feel about the law enforcement officers that committed suicide? Do you feel the same about military and ex-military individuals that suffer from PTSD that commit suicide? How about the first responders that ran into the twin towers on 9/11 to try to save lives? Are these people just “suckers and losers” because they put their lives on the line for others?
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Let me answer the first part of your nonsense by saying you don't know who you are talking to. At no point in my discussion did I denigrate law enforcement, military, and any other person who puts their lives on the line for those not in their immediate family. I don't know you and have no idea if you've ever earned the right to lead those types of men and women during your time on earth. You can take the time (or not) to review my post history and get a sense of my background. Your words are shameful and show an immense amount of disrespect. Stay on topic. Your talking points are weak.

My point in all of this is the media ran with a story that was patently false. And they did it at a high level of hysteria and glee. If you can't see that, then you are hopelessly lost in the political morass that is perpetuated by people like you.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
I never heard that where were saying that? I never saw a news agency declare a cause of death until the report about the bear spray.
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You are kidding right? Let's start with the NY Times, Capitol Police spokespeople, every major cable news network.

Many outlets have quietly gone back and corrected their stories. At the time, getting your head bashed in by a fire extinguisher by a trump supporter sounded much better that going back to the office, talking to family, mysteriously collapsing, transported to the hospital, then dying.

Lazy, sensational journalism. Works every time. Damage is done, move it along.
 
espola said:
My thought when I heard "fire extinguisher" on the live broadcast was "where did they get that?". My latest conjecture is that the so-called "fire extinguisher" was actually a large canister of bear spray, several of which were observed being carried and used by the Capitol traitors that day.
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Their's footage of a fire extinguisher getting pulled off the wall and thrown into a crowd. The point is that it sounds more dramatic than dying of an allergic reaction. Again, strange since "most" law enforcement training includes exposure to pepper spray/mace. You can develop allergies after the fact, so there is that.
 
happy9 said:
You are kidding right? Let's start with the NY Times, Capitol Police spokespeople, every major cable news network.

Many outlets have quietly gone back and corrected their stories. At the time, getting your head bashed in by a fire extinguisher by a trump supporter sounded much better that going back to the office, talking to family, mysteriously collapsing, transported to the hospital, then dying.

Lazy, sensational journalism. Works every time. Damage is done, move it along.
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Bottom line trump lied people died you can’t negotiate that away.
 
Cases are rising again in South America. Brazil Argentina Chile Peru have all had slight turn ups. India too. Some of these nations have been hit in prior waves (despite rigorous lockdowns) very hard. The question the talking heads are discussing is if this is some kind of seasonal effect or is it the variants at work. Re seasonality though there has been no upturn in either Australia (despite a relaxing of lockdowns) or South Africa (despite the variant) but both may be too far south yet to feel the seasonal effects. That sets up an awful scenario considering vaccine rollout in South America has been even more of s show then Europe. Economically South America is on its knees and a third wave would be just devastating. Attended a talk on Thursday predicting the us, given likely approvals for 2 more vaccines coming down the pike and the vaccine refusal rate, likely faces a vaccine glut by may. May need to donate some of that to South America before it goes bad.

In Europe the plateau effect has been hitting Scandinavia, particularly Norway which up to now had escaped the worst of things. There are also some signs some other countries may have hit a plateau.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Bottom line trump lied people died you can’t negotiate that away.
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That's your response? Weak. When you can finally admit that both sides (because you have sides) are wrong then you will finally demonstrate adulthood. trump lied, hc lied, susan rice lied, lied. I can keep going, holder lied. in each of these cases, US Citizens were murdered because of lies. It's what politicians do. When you are smitten to one side, you ignore your own lies and highlight others. Pathetic state of being.

But I get it, trump is your boogey man. At some point it (whatever the "it" flavor of the day it) will no longer be trump's fault, then what? I'm sure another boogey man will be picked.
 
happy9 said:
That's your response? Weak. When you can finally admit that both sides (because you have sides) are wrong then you will finally demonstrate adulthood. trump lied, hc lied, susan rice lied, lied. I can keep going, holder lied. in each of these cases, US Citizens were murdered because of lies. It's what politicians do. When you are smitten to one side, you ignore your own lies and highlight others. Pathetic state of being.

But I get it, trump is your boogey man. At some point it (whatever the "it" flavor of the day it) will no longer be trump's fault, then what? I'm sure another boogey man will be picked.
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Happy, where two fight, no one is right. I see that in my own life and how I wanted to be right all the time. That was wrong of me. I went on a few rants and rambles on here that has made some hate me. I want love Happy, not hate. I'm doing my part starting today. I see how wrong I was. Today, I'm just happy that the kids are seeing hope for sports and school :)
 
Grace T. said:
Cases are rising again in South America. Brazil Argentina Chile Peru have all had slight turn ups. India too. Some of these nations have been hit in prior waves (despite rigorous lockdowns) very hard. The question the talking heads are discussing is if this is some kind of seasonal effect or is it the variants at work. Re seasonality though there has been no upturn in either Australia (despite a relaxing of lockdowns) or South Africa (despite the variant) but both may be too far south yet to feel the seasonal effects. That sets up an awful scenario considering vaccine rollout in South America has been even more of s show then Europe. Economically South America is on its knees and a third wave would be just devastating. Attended a talk on Thursday predicting the us, given likely approvals for 2 more vaccines coming down the pike and the vaccine refusal rate, likely faces a vaccine glut by may. May need to donate some of that to South America before it goes bad.

In Europe the plateau effect has been hitting Scandinavia, particularly Norway which up to now had escaped the worst of things. There are also some signs some other countries may have hit a plateau.
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Am I allowed to ask what talk you attended/listened to? If you can't share, no worries.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Ok, 3 weeks down: 3 to 11 weeks out now. If he thought it was a nice, blue sky 3 weeks ago, he hasn't seen anything yet.

“The fact is that the surge that is likely to occur with this new variant from England is going to happen in the next six to 14 weeks. And, if we see that happen, which my 45 years in the trenches tell me we will, we are going to see something like we have not seen yet in this country,” Osterholm said.

“You and I are sitting on this beach, where it’s 70 degrees, perfectly blue skies, gentle breeze, but I see that hurricane — Category 5 or higher — 450 miles off shore,” Osterholm told host Chuck Todd. “Telling people to evacuate on the nice, blue sky day is going to be hard. But I can also tell you that the hurricane is coming.”
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4 weeks down, 2-10 to go. We did see a slight bump up this week. However, I'm feeling that the actual increase is due to the storm in TX pushing tests out making the week starting at 2/14 artificially low and pushing those tests later making the following week higher. Either way, we are flattening out which is not ideal. Next week we should be removed from the effect of that storm on testing.

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Storm definitely threw a monkey wrench into the data.

But the storm doesn’t explain the drift in sequencing results. Nor does the storm explain the level spot in national numbers the last 2 weeks. Or the fact that other countries with high past caseloads (like Brazil) are also seeing an increase.

The simplest explanation for all three is that some variants have a higher transmissibility than others. The same behavior which leads to Rt=0.8 for vanilla covid may mean Rt=1.1 or 1.2 for some of the new variants. (transmission is higher by 35-45% for the UK one.)

So, it isn't the storm. It's the variant. And, if that is correct, the national numbers will go back up over the next 3-4 weeks. (Then drop, as total immunity gets high enough to offset the higher transmissibility.)

Which means this comment is in the correct thread.
 
dad4 said:
Storm definitely threw a monkey wrench into the data.

But the storm doesn’t explain the drift in sequencing results. Nor does the storm explain the level spot in national numbers the last 2 weeks. Or the fact that other countries with high past caseloads (like Brazil) are also seeing an increase.

The simplest explanation for all three is that some variants have a higher transmissibility than others. The same behavior which leads to Rt=0.8 for vanilla covid may mean Rt=1.1 or 1.2 for some of the new variants. (transmission is higher by 35-45% for the UK one.)

So, it isn't the storm. It's the variant. And, if that is correct, the national numbers will go back up over the next 3-4 weeks. (Then drop, as total immunity gets high enough to offset the higher transmissibility.)

Which means this comment is in the correct thread.
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Specifically, I stated, "the actual increase is due to the storm". I believe the numbers do show that it dropped "artificially" low for a week so when testing resumed, many positives that would have counted earlier got counted later and that's why there was an actual rise. I also state, "Either way, we are flattening out which is not ideal." So, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the variants are playing a part in that. I never said they weren't.

This is in the Bad News Thread because of the prediction of a Biden "advisor".
“The fact is that the surge that is likely to occur with this new variant from England is going to happen in the next six to 14 weeks. And, if we see that happen, which my 45 years in the trenches tell me we will, we are going to see something like we have not seen yet in this country,” Osterholm said.

“You and I are sitting on this beach, where it’s 70 degrees, perfectly blue skies, gentle breeze, but I see that hurricane — Category 5 or higher — 450 miles off shore,” Osterholm told host Chuck Todd. “Telling people to evacuate on the nice, blue sky day is going to be hard. But I can also tell you that the hurricane is coming.”
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kickingandscreaming said:
Specifically, I stated, "the actual increase is due to the storm". I believe the numbers do show that it dropped "artificially" low for a week so when testing resumed, many positives that would have counted earlier got counted later and that's why there was an actual rise. I also state, "Either way, we are flattening out which is not ideal." So, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the variants are playing a part in that. I never said they weren't.

This is in the Bad News Thread because of the prediction of a Biden "advisor".
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Fair enough.

The question is whether this is a temporary flat on the way down, or the flat spot before it turns up.

We will know in a few weeks, I guess.

Osterholm says it's the flat before another, larger mountain, but I don't quite follow his numbers on that. ( Not that I have any real qualifications. Just sport for me. )
 
dad4 said:
Storm definitely threw a monkey wrench into the data.

But the storm doesn’t explain the drift in sequencing results. Nor does the storm explain the level spot in national numbers the last 2 weeks. Or the fact that other countries with high past caseloads (like Brazil) are also seeing an increase.

The simplest explanation for all three is that some variants have a higher transmissibility than others. The same behavior which leads to Rt=0.8 for vanilla covid may mean Rt=1.1 or 1.2 for some of the new variants. (transmission is higher by 35-45% for the UK one.)

So, it isn't the storm. It's the variant. And, if that is correct, the national numbers will go back up over the next 3-4 weeks. (Then drop, as total immunity gets high enough to offset the higher transmissibility.)

Which means this comment is in the correct thread.
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The monkey wrench in this is that South Africa despite having what’s been reported as the worst of the variants isn’t exhibiting the same behavior (yet). I agree that the most likely explanation of what happening is the variants. But it also doesn’t explain why all Scandinavia is behaving the same. There’s another factor here we aren’t fully understanding (maybe spring/fall season affects but who knows).
 
Grace T. said:
The monkey wrench in this is that South Africa despite having what’s been reported as the worst of the variants isn’t exhibiting the same behavior (yet). I agree that the most likely explanation of what happening is the variants. But it also doesn’t explain why all Scandinavia is behaving the same. There’s another factor here we aren’t fully understanding (maybe spring/fall season affects but who knows).
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Ps the reason I bring up Norway’s is because the Norwegian borders have been closed through February.
 
Grace T. said:
Ps the reason I bring up Norway’s is because the Norwegian borders have been closed through February.
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Norway, Jan 30 --

Norway to gradually ease capital's COVID-19 lockdown from February 3


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Norway to gradually ease capital's COVID-19 lockdown from February 3

The Norwegian government will gradually loosen the capital region's coronavirus lockdown, allowing some shops and recreational activities to reopen from Feb. 3 onwards, Health Minister Bent Hoeie said on Saturday.
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Norway, Feb 28 --

Norway's capital tightens lockdown to fight faster virus spread

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Norway's capital tightens lockdown to fight faster virus spread

Norway's capital Oslo will tighten lockdown measures to combat a sharp rise in coronavirus infections linked to a more contagious variant, the city's governing mayor said on Sunday.
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