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Senior White House CoVID advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci threw more cold-water on Americans looking to return to normal life this week; saying even those vaccinated twice should avoid restaurants and movie theaters.
“There are things, even if you’re vaccinated, that you’re not going to be able to do in society,” Fauci said on Monday during a White House COVID-19 press briefing. “For example, indoor dining, theaters, places where people congregate. That’s because of the safety of society.”
“We hope that when the data comes in, it’s going to show that the virus level is quite low and you’re not transmitting it,” Fauci said, adding: “We don’t know that now. And for that reason, we want to make sure that people continue to wear masks despite the fact that they’re vaccinated.”
Senior White House CoVID advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci threw more cold-water on Americans looking to return to normal life this week; saying even those vaccinated twice should avoid restaurants and movie theaters.
“There are things, even if you’re vaccinated, that you’re not going to be able to do in society,” Fauci said on Monday during a White House COVID-19 press briefing. “For example, indoor dining, theaters, places where people congregate. That’s because of the safety of society.”
“We hope that when the data comes in, it’s going to show that the virus level is quite low and you’re not transmitting it,” Fauci said, adding: “We don’t know that now. And for that reason, we want to make sure that people continue to wear masks despite the fact that they’re vaccinated.”
Desert Hound
DA
Schools Are Opening — Except On The Left Coast And In The Swamp
Outside of the educational hellholes of the West Coast and the DC metro area, the rest of the country is opening schools.
issuesinsights.com
Desert Hound
DA
Absolutely crazy. They want to give you the vaccine and then have everyone pretend they are still at risk and as such can't do this or that.
There will be enough states/places that will go through with variations of this.
States that still don't have schools open now? Bank on them playing the dog and pony show next year with all kinds of "safety" protocols in place in and around schools and youth sports.
You know at some point people have to say enough is enough to this gov overreach.
We need a new version of the Gadsden Flag to let them know we just want to live our lives without nonsensical rules.
Telling the truth is not good enough hound. You need to show them the truth. Truth hurts too and when its slapped in someone's face like a Doc, they still deny the truth and keep lying. You know why?
Well, the only bright side on this is the push back has been very severe and has been across the political spectrum and not just the hard core antilockdowners. Like I said before, if the Biden admin has lost their dear friend Megan McCain, they aren't reading the room very well.
Apparently, Fauci is giving us soon "firm recommendations" on what vaccinated people can and can't do. Anyone want to bet which list is longer?
Supposedly vaccinated people aren't supposed to do indoor dining or go to theatres yet. If it includes not hugging grandma after a year, I think they are going to have a full scale "just ignore them" reaction on their hands.
Fauci: Vaccinated people shouldn't dine indoors or go to the theater quite yet | Business Insider India
It may become safe to gather indoors again as more people get vaccinated and as coronavirus cases drop further, Dr. Anthony Fauci said.
Desert Hound
DA
If you get a vaccine but still cant do things, what is the point?Supposedly vaccinated people aren't supposed to do indoor dining or go to theatres yet. If it includes not hugging grandma after a year, I think they are going to have a full scale "just ignore them" reaction on their hands.
Fauci: Vaccinated people shouldn't dine indoors or go to the theater quite yet | Business Insider India
It may become safe to gather indoors again as more people get vaccinated and as coronavirus cases drop further, Dr. Anthony Fauci said.www.businessinsider.in
It is like we are stuck in the Twilight Zone with some of these idiots.
Desert Hound
DA
It is going to be an uphill battle in many areas.
Consider the fact that the school board in SF has ONLY just started talking about possibly re-opening. After a year they are just getting around to it. They were however very busy voting on changing the names of schools of controversial figures such as Abe Lincoln and Paul Revere to name a few.
And variations of that mindset still pervade areas as in schools still not being open and making excuses as to why.
Apparently we have Fauci to thank in part for the California winter lockdowns.....
An article re the Los Angeles variant. Guess the world needs to isolate California from the rest of the world.....
www.latimes.com
Coronavirus variant first seen in Los Angeles has spread around the world
Coronavirus variant first seen in L.A. now accounts for about half of Southern California's infections and has spread to 18 states and six countries.
www.latimes.com
Glitterhater
SILVER ELITE
I'm (obviously) no virologist but with the ability people have to freely come and go between states, this has to be of no surprise to people, right? I almost wish they'd shutup about all the new variants!An article re the Los Angeles variant. Guess the world needs to isolate California from the rest of the world.....
Coronavirus variant first seen in Los Angeles has spread around the world
Coronavirus variant first seen in L.A. now accounts for about half of Southern California's infections and has spread to 18 states and six countries.
Desert Hound
DA
"Vaccine trials measure how many people get infected after vaccination. Take for example the Moderna vaccine trial, published in the New England Journal of Medicine beginning in November with follow-up publications extending through February. In that trial they randomized 15,210 people to the vaccine and 15,210 people to placebo. Of those who got the placebo, 185 developed COVID-19. Therefore, 1.2% got COVID-19. Thirty of those became very ill. Of those who got the vaccine, 11 developed COVID-19. None of them got very ill. Therefore, 0.07% got COVID-19. So, the vaccine was effective: it prevented illness and it prevented serious illness."
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"Another way to approach this issue of whether the vaccine prevents spread is to consider what happens with other vaccines. When we give the flu vaccine do we find that those who get the vaccine contract the flu and pass it on to others at a clinically significant rate? The answer is no. Can it happen? The answer is yes. The flu vaccine, like the COVID-19 vaccine, is not perfect. But it is highly effective. The same holds for the smallpox vaccine (smallpox is now obliterated from the planet by vaccination), the polio vaccine, and others. Even when vaccines are not perfect they can be highly effective. Therefore, to harp on the rare possibility of spreading COVID-19 after vaccination is to focus on what is unlikely to happen rather than to focus on what is likely to happen — that it will work very well."
www.medpagetoday.com
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"Another way to approach this issue of whether the vaccine prevents spread is to consider what happens with other vaccines. When we give the flu vaccine do we find that those who get the vaccine contract the flu and pass it on to others at a clinically significant rate? The answer is no. Can it happen? The answer is yes. The flu vaccine, like the COVID-19 vaccine, is not perfect. But it is highly effective. The same holds for the smallpox vaccine (smallpox is now obliterated from the planet by vaccination), the polio vaccine, and others. Even when vaccines are not perfect they can be highly effective. Therefore, to harp on the rare possibility of spreading COVID-19 after vaccination is to focus on what is unlikely to happen rather than to focus on what is likely to happen — that it will work very well."
Op-Ed: Stop Stressing Post-Vax Risk of Spreading Coronavirus
Why give people another reason to avoid vaccination?
www.medpagetoday.com
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
He needs to read the NY Times article I just posted in the Good News Thread.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
I fully expected the following.
Vaccinated: Wear a mask
Not Vaccinated: Wear two masks.
Desert Hound
DA
Think about what we are hearing from Fauci and others.
If people are vaccinated can we do the following?
Stop social distancing? No
Can we travel like we did before? No
Can restaurants and bars go back to normal? No
Are we safe? We don't know
Can we still spread the disease? We don't know
And so on.
So what is the point?
Watch the idiotic rules/procedures they keep or put in place long after this is over.
By the way...the latest is hey there are variants popping up. We just don't know what MIGHT happen with the new ones.
My response? Live life. The flu has variants come around every year. I suspect covid will constantly mutate as well. We cannot keep on living in fear of what MIGHT be.
Desert Hound
DA
By the way this is why @dad4 and other pro lock downers don't write much in this thread anymore. The facts on the ground have disproven their long running arguments.
From NPR.
“In late fall, we saw this horrible surge that grew even worse after Thanksgiving. …. this sustained, horrible surge of infections, the worst in the nation, for many weeks after the second lockdown was ordered. And the fact is, California’s deaths per capita numbers, which, you know, officials have used throughout the pandemic to defend these very tough restrictions, are in many cases either the same or worse than many states that have been far less restrictive.”
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“Florida has had fewer cases per capita than California."
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“(FLORIDA) Unemployment’s below the national average. Consumer spending, judged by sales tax collections, is nearly back. Tourism is, of course, still way down. But there are signs that even that’s ready to rebound.”
From NPR.
“In late fall, we saw this horrible surge that grew even worse after Thanksgiving. …. this sustained, horrible surge of infections, the worst in the nation, for many weeks after the second lockdown was ordered. And the fact is, California’s deaths per capita numbers, which, you know, officials have used throughout the pandemic to defend these very tough restrictions, are in many cases either the same or worse than many states that have been far less restrictive.”
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“Florida has had fewer cases per capita than California."
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“(FLORIDA) Unemployment’s below the national average. Consumer spending, judged by sales tax collections, is nearly back. Tourism is, of course, still way down. But there are signs that even that’s ready to rebound.”
You beat Dad bro, good job. I watched you kick his ass for 12 months. He lost all the debates and his math is full of shit and he knows it. At least when I lose a argument, I admit it.
whatithink
GOLD
The answer to that appears to be because not enough research and testing has been done on it, which is probably not unreasonable as the immediate goal was a working vaccine, which happened in a record amount of time and with extraordinarily high success rates.
Here's an article from MIT on the vaccines & transmission. Herd immunity via infections and vaccinations are the key, but if vaccines don't prevent transmissions then that's a problem.
"But if vaccinated people are “leaky”—if they can still spread the virus sometimes—the threshold will rise. In fact, according to basic outbreak math, if the vaccine stops anything less than two-thirds of transmission events, it’s impossible to reach herd immunity at all. And that’s not even considering that many people will refuse the vaccine, nor mounting evidence that immunity may not last against new variants of the virus."
There's a quote which points to the inconsistent messaging - mainly because they don't yet know if vaccinations will prevent transmissions.
"Jody Lanard, a medical risk communicator who has worked with the World Health Organization, says until questions about vaccine transmission are answered, public health officials will likely send out contradictory messages. On the one hand, she says, exhorting people to “keep wearing a mask” implies that a vaccinated person can still transmit the virus. At the same time, encouraging everyone to get vaccinated, even those who are not in a high-risk group, “leans heavily on the notion that transmission will likely be reduced by vaccination.”
Can I still infect people with covid if I’ve been vaccinated? | MIT Technology Review