Bad News Thread

Oh how times have changed.

Another boot camp memory -- we were asked to "volunteer" blood donations. Every man went. When we got to the hospital, they let the one guy in the company who wanted to be a corpsman help out - getting him used to the sight of blood, I guess. We had to march over there, but they gave us a bus ride back to the barracks.
 
Another boot camp memory -- we were asked to "volunteer" blood donations. Every man went. When we got to the hospital, they let the one guy in the company who wanted to be a corpsman help out - getting him used to the sight of blood, I guess. We had to march over there, but they gave us a bus ride back to the barracks.
IV practice dummy was always fun.
 
Another boot camp memory -- we were asked to "volunteer" blood donations. Every man went. When we got to the hospital, they let the one guy in the company who wanted to be a corpsman help out - getting him used to the sight of blood, I guess. We had to march over there, but they gave us a bus ride back to the barracks.
One of my foster care brothers was station in Frankfurt Germany. He dealt with Ammo. Well, one night he and his pals were out drinking and well, things got out of hand. MP showed up and my bro punched one of them. Not good to pull that stunt in 88' He got the boot and slept in his car for year and then got his shit together and has found a nice life in Kauai for over 30 years. He was dealt no cards at the poker table when he came to the planet. I would love to share his adoption story and his near death experience he endured before he was born. Espola, this is real life & death and this planet loves life :) Thanks for serving btw :)
 
It looks like a third wave has begun in Scandinavia in Sweden Norway and Finland. Interestingly Norway has been spared the brunt of this until now and even exhausted Sweden is talking California style partial lockdowns. It’s unclear why this is happening when the rest of the world (including Alaska Iceland and Canada) are in decline. Interestingly Sweden’s excess mortality for all 2020 was rather low (8000 or so) and it would have been lower but for their nursing home covid fiasco which was similar to New York. Peru and Brazil are also on the rise. Peru has had the worst of both worlds: prolonged strict lockdowns that have left people starving and strong waves relative to the population.
 
It maybe because it's only Emergency Use authorized. It's the reason hospitals haven't been able to mandate their workers to get it. It's still considered "experimental" so the employer is liable if they force it on someone and they have a side effect.
Yes, I heard/read this recently - forget where.
 
Read on the Twitter that 1/3 of the military and 40% of California health care workers have refused the vaccine. Anyone have verification? If true that just goes to the boneheadedness of the cdc policy: get your vaccine and continue to lockdown (I think Biden said for a year in the cnn townhall). Given the experimental nature of the vaccine (and inability therefore to mandate), the unpleasant side effects in younger people, and the relative lack of risk in young people, the best way to sell this would be the quickest return to normal possible. Instead we get the new cdc tiers that say no return to normal in schools even after teachers vaccinated.
The 40% of health care workers is pretty crazy if true. Below from NYTimes supports this.

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The federal program used a formula that turned out to significantly overestimate how many shots would be needed for long-term care facilities like nursing homes, whose residents are particularly vulnerable to the coronavirus. And another problem arose: A considerable number of residents and, especially, workers at the facilities are turning down the chance to be vaccinated.

A study released Monday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that in the first month of the program, 77.8 percent of residents and 37.5 percent of workers received the vaccine at the average long-term care facility. The study says the true rate for workers may be higher because some may have been vaccinated in other settings. But, even so, federal officials are particularly concerned about how many workers are refusing inoculation, and have been stepping up efforts to change their minds.
 
Read on the Twitter that 1/3 of the military and 40% of California health care workers have refused the vaccine. Anyone have verification? If true that just goes to the boneheadedness of the cdc policy: get your vaccine and continue to lockdown (I think Biden said for a year in the cnn townhall). Given the experimental nature of the vaccine (and inability therefore to mandate), the unpleasant side effects in younger people, and the relative lack of risk in young people, the best way to sell this would be the quickest return to normal possible. Instead we get the new cdc tiers that say no return to normal in schools even after teachers vaccinated.
Here's the other thing I am thinking. By sometime in May, we may be getting the point of running out of willing and qualified (no children) people to get their first shot (first shot, not both). I'm guessing somewhere around 15% of the population is too young for the current vaccines (under 18 or 16). I'll round it to 13% to make the remaining population eligible for the vaccine to be 87%. Two-thirds of that is 58% of the US population. Based on surveys and what you note above, this may be optimistic unless many people change their minds. It will take a considerable acceleration in the pace of first shots to get there by May, but two things are working toward that end. We have some good news about the supply ramping up considerably as well as improvements in the distribution and delivery of shots (see Bloomberg below). The other possibility is that the 2nd dose is delayed - up to 12 weeks instead of 4. That would speed the "first shots" considerably. I wouldn't be surprised if my April (maybe earlier), assuming the vaccine pipeline and ability to give shots grows as expected, we spend the month only giving "first shots". By Aprile, we will have more data to determine if a delay is a good idea and allow us to determine if we feel confident the supply will be able to be delivered in time for the delayed 2nd shots.

We are at about 0.5% shots per day. Raising that 50% (as projected) and solely allocating to "first-shots" would take care of 22% in April alone. With some growth in March, we could be near 50% first shots by the end of April.

First Shot
Current: 13%
End of Feb: (15%) (about 1/3% per day)
End of March: (27%) - 12% in the month with growth from 1/3% per day (10%) to 1/2% per day (15%)
End of April: (49%) using 3/4% per day results in 22% in the month


 
Ok, 2 weeks down: 4 to 12 weeks out now.

“The fact is that the surge that is likely to occur with this new variant from England is going to happen in the next six to 14 weeks. And, if we see that happen, which my 45 years in the trenches tell me we will, we are going to see something like we have not seen yet in this country,” Osterholm said.

“You and I are sitting on this beach, where it’s 70 degrees, perfectly blue skies, gentle breeze, but I see that hurricane — Category 5 or higher — 450 miles off shore,” Osterholm told host Chuck Todd. “Telling people to evacuate on the nice, blue sky day is going to be hard. But I can also tell you that the hurricane is coming.”
Ok, 3 weeks down: 3 to 11 weeks out now. If he thought it was a nice, blue sky 3 weeks ago, he hasn't seen anything yet.

“The fact is that the surge that is likely to occur with this new variant from England is going to happen in the next six to 14 weeks. And, if we see that happen, which my 45 years in the trenches tell me we will, we are going to see something like we have not seen yet in this country,” Osterholm said.

“You and I are sitting on this beach, where it’s 70 degrees, perfectly blue skies, gentle breeze, but I see that hurricane — Category 5 or higher — 450 miles off shore,” Osterholm told host Chuck Todd. “Telling people to evacuate on the nice, blue sky day is going to be hard. But I can also tell you that the hurricane is coming.”
 
Ok, 3 weeks down: 3 to 11 weeks out now. If he thought it was a nice, blue sky 3 weeks ago, he hasn't seen anything yet.

“The fact is that the surge that is likely to occur with this new variant from England is going to happen in the next six to 14 weeks. And, if we see that happen, which my 45 years in the trenches tell me we will, we are going to see something like we have not seen yet in this country,” Osterholm said.

“You and I are sitting on this beach, where it’s 70 degrees, perfectly blue skies, gentle breeze, but I see that hurricane — Category 5 or higher — 450 miles off shore,” Osterholm told host Chuck Todd. “Telling people to evacuate on the nice, blue sky day is going to be hard. But I can also tell you that the hurricane is coming.”
To some extent I think osterholm is just a hysteric. There’s some evidence to float around for a potential 3rd wave but it shouldn’t nearly be as bad particularly as the elderly and higher risk should be vaccinated with at least the first dose before it begins to take off. For the younger people I agree they should be spacing out the first shots and where’s the j&j shot?? Fall has me worried though given the time for s Africa and other variants to mutate
 
To some extent I think osterholm is just a hysteric. There’s some evidence to float around for a potential 3rd wave but it shouldn’t nearly be as bad particularly as the elderly and higher risk should be vaccinated with at least the first dose before it begins to take off. For the younger people I agree they should be spacing out the first shots and where’s the j&j shot?? Fall has me worried though given the time for s Africa and other variants to mutate
Also the estimate is in Los Angeles at least 1/3 of us have had it.
 
Megan McCain turned was one of the pro-lockdowners at the beginning of all this, bordering on hysterical at first (she was pregnant when this all started to go down). Very critical of the Trump admin's handling of this at the beginning and a defender of Fauci. If Fauci's lost Megan McCain it's quite an accomplishment.

 
Megan McCain turned was one of the pro-lockdowners at the beginning of all this, bordering on hysterical at first (she was pregnant when this all started to go down). Very critical of the Trump admin's handling of this at the beginning and a defender of Fauci. If Fauci's lost Megan McCain it's quite an accomplishment.


"remove him and put someone else in place that maybe does understand science"? Maybe you can help her find someone.
 
Megan McCain turned was one of the pro-lockdowners at the beginning of all this, bordering on hysterical at first (she was pregnant when this all started to go down). Very critical of the Trump admin's handling of this at the beginning and a defender of Fauci. If Fauci's lost Megan McCain it's quite an accomplishment.


MMcC last April, supporting Rand Paul's anti-lockdown stance, quoted in Fox News --

"I think there has to be more than just we're locking down the country for the foreseeable future."
 
MMcC last April, supporting Rand Paul's anti-lockdown stance, quoted in Fox News --

"I think there has to be more than just we're locking down the country for the foreseeable future."

Yeah, she said the country can't stay lockdown for ever, which you know, she was right. I also believe that was May, but could be wrong about that. She was also one of the first to flee the set of the view and in March was furiously scolding Arizonians and Floridians for not social distancing while the hospital system was melting down in New York. She also at one point of Rand Paul said "I hate him" back a few years back.
 
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