Bad News Thread

"A new peer-reviewed study from the American Academy of Pediatrics found that in-school transmission of COVID-19 is "extremely rare."

In a collaborative study between Duke University and the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, researchers discovered that among 11 school districts with nearly 100,000 staff and students, there were no instances of children passing the coronavirus to adults during in-person instruction. Researchers found just 32 cases of either kid-to-kid or adult-to-adult coronavirus transmission over nine weeks."

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It amazes me that people just got through getting livid about trump trying to subvert the constitution by overturning his election and his supporters trying to seize the capitol and you want to go around overturning the constitution (by suspending the first amendment rights to speech and assemble, not to mention the fourth, and the individual rights of the states) chinese style to get authoritarian lockdown. It is pretty self evident the far left is totalitarian

Whoa...my response was not even political. My point was that lockdown works if you actually lockdown. In China, all was back to normal after 3 months of strict lockdown. In CA, we just have restrictions, not a lockdown which affects school children and small businesses the most. If it doesnt work, then we should just say that restrictions dont work and not claim that we had a lockdown.
 
Whoa...my response was not even political. My point was that lockdown works if you actually lockdown. In China, all was back to normal after 3 months of strict lockdown. In CA, we just have restrictions, not a lockdown which affects school children and small businesses the most. If it doesnt work, then we should just say that restrictions dont work and not claim that we had a lockdown.

That's fine but then we are back to nothing really works, at least given that we are: a) not prepare to suspend the constitution, or b) not an island that was lucky enough to catch it early, close our borders and keep it out.
 
Whoa...my response was not even political. My point was that lockdown works if you actually lockdown. In China, all was back to normal after 3 months of strict lockdown. In CA, we just have restrictions, not a lockdown which affects school children and small businesses the most. If it doesnt work, then we should just say that restrictions dont work and not claim that we had a lockdown.
Ummm...I work with a lot of people in China and one of my factories was just closed for a week due to Covid and another (in a different region) spoke of new restrictions.

Although other areas seem to be operating as normal.
 
Ummm...I work with a lot of people in China and one of my factories was just closed for a week due to Covid and another (in a different region) spoke of new restrictions.

Although other areas seem to be operating as normal.

Hey Kicker, isn't China already rolling out it's vaccine (though supposedly it's only 50% effective)?
 
That's fine but then we are back to nothing really works, at least given that we are: a) not prepare to suspend the constitution, or b) not an island that was lucky enough to catch it early, close our borders and keep it out.

None of this is unconstitutional.

Government can take away your free speech or your guns or hold you down and it can be constitutional.

Government can exercise that and infringed directly on your right because the constitution also gave the government the duty to protect its citizens.

What you have is a contradiction in the law. you have a right, the government also has a constitutional duty and it can only execute that duty if it infringes on your right. Who wins?

If you challenge that you go to the Supreme Court where the justices will apply different strunity levels depending on what is being challenged. If the government can show that it did that and infringed on your right but it is narrowly tailored, it explored other means etc etc. The court will almost always then rule for the government.
 
Whoa...my response was not even political. My point was that lockdown works if you actually lockdown. In China, all was back to normal after 3 months of strict lockdown. In CA, we just have restrictions, not a lockdown which affects school children and small businesses the most. If it doesnt work, then we should just say that restrictions dont work and not claim that we had a lockdown.
Well put.
 
That's fine but then we are back to nothing really works, at least given that we are: a) not prepare to suspend the constitution, or b) not an island that was lucky enough to catch it early, close our borders and keep it out.
A. The Constitution contains nothing that would preclude government from implementing a lockdown to protect the citizenry due to health reasons i.e. a pandemic. And B is laughable coming from a trump apologist.
 
"A new peer-reviewed study from the American Academy of Pediatrics found that in-school transmission of COVID-19 is "extremely rare."

In a collaborative study between Duke University and the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, researchers discovered that among 11 school districts with nearly 100,000 staff and students, there were no instances of children passing the coronavirus to adults during in-person instruction. Researchers found just 32 cases of either kid-to-kid or adult-to-adult coronavirus transmission over nine weeks."

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The "stay at home order" failure in CA has gotten so bad the only "ones" remaining here that are advocating for it are Easy On The Lotion and his many personas.
 
What you have is a contradiction in the law. you have a right, the government also has a constitutional duty and it can only execute that duty if it infringes on your right. Who wins?

The side with the most guns because that's pretty much what you would trigger and not only from the right but also the left.

Remember we had the BLM/Antifa protests in April/May. That was the 1 event (well, besides things like the Lightfoot or Pelosi haircuts or other politicians carving out exceptions for themselves). that shattered the consensus on lockdowns. The right to protest is protected by the First Amendment. So, the government would have been forced to violently suppress the protests and keep people in their houses (as they did in Australia). If the government made exceptions for these protests, everyone else would have wanted exceptions for their activities (and by law you have to treat at least worship or R protesting the same).

And before you say oh well we'd just use the military to enforce it....remember in California the big problem from a lockdowner point of view is the Sheriffs have said no thanks to enforcing things like mask mandates on the beach.
 
Wow, that's quite an argument.
So for some state’s Teachers Unions, it’s either a sign of White Supremacy/White Privilege to want to REOPEN Schools or we need to Defund the Policy, Eliminate Charter Schools and Provide Universal Healthcare in order to REOPEN schools for any type of in person learning.

Yet the science, most other States, Private Schools and virtually every other Country are in some form of In Person learning environment.

But this isn’t political, so I wonder what it is?
 
So for some state’s Teachers Unions, it’s either a sign of White Supremacy/White Privilege to want to REOPEN Schools or we need to Defund the Policy, Eliminate Charter Schools and Provide Universal Healthcare in order to REOPEN schools for any type of in person learning.

Yet the science, most other States, Private Schools and virtually every other Country are in some form of In Person learning environment.

But this isn’t political, so I wonder what it is?
Irrationality is a human condition - neither conservative nor liberal. When people want to believe in something strongly enough, they will justify it, rationality be damned.
 
You mean like the whole trump ordeal?
No one is debating that, so why are you bringing it up? Is that all you know is anti-trump this anti-trump that? Do you not have a bright enough spectrum of intelligence to debate anything or discuss anything but how much of a pompous asshole Trump is? Open your mind sir there’s so many other things to discuss. We all know Trump is an idiot there’s no need to keep bringing that into every debate.
 
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