Bad News Thread

Grace T. said:
For the other disaster state, it looks like NY is deliberately trying to kill seniors at this point. My parents still use AOL, can barely email or answer online forms, and they want them to upload attachments and scan stuff.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1348464494108954626

If California does something similar, they'll probably just give it to my kids to figure out.
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Ugh. Is this the only way to get a vaccine? If so, I'd have to think this process would perpetuate the underserved communities being underserved for vaccine access as well. What's wrong with just using a driver's license with a photo on it and an insurance card if you have one?
 
Grace T. said:
For the other disaster state, it looks like NY is deliberately trying to kill seniors at this point. My parents still use AOL, can barely email or answer online forms, and they want them to upload attachments and scan stuff.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1348464494108954626

If California does something similar, they'll probably just give it to my kids to figure out.
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Lol... a 51 question online test to get a vaccine.

The problem isn't so much the Gov in this case. Race relations are a huge political issue in NYC, and from what I've heard there was concern that if they just focused on seniors (who are disproportionately white) that is would be unfair to other minority groups. So they came up with a way to make sure that the distribution of the vaccine reflected the diversity of the city. And it's a diverse city- so this is no small task as the 51 questions indicates.

So yes, not that many people are getting vaccinated with all the hoops city officials are jumping through- but the lucky few that do get it aren't just old white people.
 
tenacious said:
Race relations are a huge political issue in NYC, and from what I've heard there was concern that if they just focused on seniors (who are disproportionately white) that is would be unfair to other minority groups.
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That is because the politicians make it so.

They should focus on the most vulnerable. And if in NYC that happens to be a lot of white people so be it. They are the at risk group. If the at risk group in NYC happened to be mainly Puerto Rican...they should be first in line. Or if Asian, etc.

The thing to do is to focus on the AGE groups at risk AND the individuals who have health issues that put them at risk.

The fact that politicians there an in other places wonder about the racial makeup of the at risk groups is telling and BS.

Give it to the people who need it.
 
Grace T. said:
torontosun.com

Canadian expert's research finds lockdown harms are 10 times greater than benefits

Dr. Ari Joffe is a specialist in pediatric infectious diseases at the Stollery Children’s Hospital in Edmonton and a Clinical Professor in the Department of Pediatr…
torontosun.com torontosun.com
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Lockdown works if it is truly a lockdown. What we had in California is not a lockdown. It is just selective closure of schools, restaurant and other small businesses and a lot of work from home.

A true lockdown is when people are only allowed out of their homes on certain days. Police roadblocks to fine people who are out and about who should not be out etc. etc. which means also effective enforcement exist.

Wuhan did a real lockdown and they were back to normal after 3 months. People were going around without any mask since summer.
 
Grace T. said:
torontosun.com

Canadian expert's research finds lockdown harms are 10 times greater than benefits

Dr. Ari Joffe is a specialist in pediatric infectious diseases at the Stollery Children’s Hospital in Edmonton and a Clinical Professor in the Department of Pediatr…
torontosun.com torontosun.com
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So if I understand correctly he looked at the DATA and adjusted his opinion of what to do. What a novel idea.

"First, initial data falsely suggested that the infection fatality rate was up to 2-3%, that over 80% of the population would be infected, and modelling suggested repeated lockdowns would be necessary. But emerging data showed that the median infection fatality rate is 0.23%, that the median infection fatality rate in people under 70 years old is 0.05%, and that the high-risk group is older people especially those with severe co-morbidities."

"Third, a formal cost-benefit analysis of different responses to the pandemic was not done by government or public health experts. Initially, I simply assumed that lockdowns to suppress the pandemic were the best approach. But policy decisions on public health should require a cost-benefit analysis. Since lockdowns are a public health intervention, aiming to improve the population wellbeing, we must consider both benefits of lockdowns, and costs of lockdowns on the population wellbeing. Once I became more informed, I realized that lockdowns cause far more harm than they prevent."

Now...where have I heard this talked about before?

"We should focus on protecting people at high risk: people hospitalized or in nursing homes (e.g., universal masking in hospitals reduced transmission markedly), in crowded conditions (e.g., homeless shelters, prisons, large gatherings), and 70 years and older (especially with severe comorbidities) – don’t lock down everyone, regardless of their individual risk."

By the way I notice the pro lockdown/pro mask people have become very quiet in recent weeks as CA has gone south. It is almost as if the preferred solutions have not had the desired affect, and they don't know what to do or say.
 
Grace T. said:
Looks like it will be mandatory for Los Angeles students.....

www.latimes.com

L.A. students must get COVID-19 vaccine when it becomes available for them, Beutner says

L.A. schools Supt. Austin Beutner said students would have to be vaccinated to return to campus once a vaccine is available for them. But that doesn't rule out an earlier return in the meantime.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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Notice the subtle goalshifting...vaccinated teachers might still bring back the virus home. Well, if that's the case then teachers teaching remotely shouldn't be prioritized over 60+.
 
blam said:
Lockdown works if it is truly a lockdown. What we had in California is not a lockdown. It is just selective closure of schools, restaurant and other small businesses and a lot of work from home.

A true lockdown is when people are only allowed out of their homes on certain days. Police roadblocks to fine people who are out and about who should not be out etc. etc. which means also effective enforcement exist.

Wuhan did a real lockdown and they were back to normal after 3 months. People were going around without any mask since summer.
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It amazes me that people just got through getting livid about trump trying to subvert the constitution by overturning his election and his supporters trying to seize the capitol and you want to go around overturning the constitution (by suspending the first amendment rights to speech and assemble, not to mention the fourth, and the individual rights of the states) chinese style to get authoritarian lockdown. It is pretty self evident the far left is totalitarian
 
La county now saying people should wear masks indoors (24/7) in their own homes if they live with someone elderly or vulnerable. Or, like Israel Florida West Virginia the dakotas you know you could just prioritize getting the vaccine to the 65+ instead of das dentists private doctors judges

incidentally my younger bro explained to me the reason for prioritizing the justice system is because there’s already a huge backlog of trials they need to get moving. So apparently they plan to suck all of us prevaccination into jury duty so they can get that calendar moving
 
Grace T. said:
The Rona is moving up the coast.....

www.latimes.com

Coronavirus surges up the coast: Ventura, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara now hit hard

Coronavirus cases have surged in Ventura, Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties, where demand for ICU beds could overwhelm the region's supply.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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Funny how the virus just does its thing. Sometimes it just takes longer to do its damage in certain areas/regions.

Germany was another place where for months we were told nailed the approach. Beginning of Nov they were still hanging around 10k deaths. Then as the virus spiked there, like pretty much everywhere else in the N Hemisphere, the numbers started going south.

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www.sciencealert.com

Early Results Suggest Pfizer Vaccine Will Work Against Coronavirus Mutations

The COVID-19 vaccine from pharmaceutical companies Pfizer and BioNTech looks to be effective against 16 different mutations of the coronavirus, according to a study that has not yet undergone peer review.
www.sciencealert.com www.sciencealert.com

medicalxpress.com

An augmented immune response explains the adverse course of COVID-19 in patients with hypertension

COVID-19 patients who also suffer from high blood pressure are more likely to fall severely ill with the disease, which also leaves them at greater risk of death. Scientists from the Berlin Institute of Health (BIH) and Charité–Universitätsmedizin Berlin, in collaboration with partners in...
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My folks have both signed the recall petition in the last week. Didn't think they would. My dad is a life long D....he's poed that California isn't getting the vaccine to those who most need it (age 65+) first after front line health care workers and nursing home people. My Mom (a Romney anti-trump R) too...French laundry was what set her off but she didn't want to go to the bother of signing it until it showed up in the mail at their doorstep. My uncle (a Sanders D) also signed it, for the same reasons as my father, plus he was assured that if we did purple plus things would get better but our county seems to almost be the national hot spot. Home town shout out also in the article.

www.politico.com

‘It’s all fallen apart’: Newsom scrambles to save California — and his career

The Democrat leading the nation’s biggest state is facing a raging pandemic, vaccine distribution problems and a nascent recall drive.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
 
Grace T. said:
My folks have both signed the recall petition in the last week. Didn't think they would. My dad is a life long D....he's poed that California isn't getting the vaccine to those who most need it (age 65+) first after front line health care workers and nursing home people. My Mom (a Romney anti-trump R) too...French laundry was what set her off but she didn't want to go to the bother of signing it until it showed up in the mail at their doorstep. My uncle (a Sanders D) also signed it, for the same reasons as my father, plus he was assured that if we did purple plus things would get better but our county seems to almost be the national hot spot. Home town shout out also in the article.

www.politico.com

‘It’s all fallen apart’: Newsom scrambles to save California — and his career

The Democrat leading the nation’s biggest state is facing a raging pandemic, vaccine distribution problems and a nascent recall drive.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
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This article makes a lot of excuses for his lack of knowledge on how to lead any part of this state. I almost would say it is flattering to someone who has failed so significantly. He has ignored calls from so many different groups on many different issues. Whether it is the lockdowns, taxes, unemployment insurance, youth sports, homeless crises, lose of large corporations, rolling black outs, fires, opening schools, you name it and he has screwed it up. All while smirking at the camera and telling all who will listen in his press conferences that he follows data and science. He follows money and political ideology and besides his good hair doesn’t have any redeeming qualities needed to be governor. I hope this has ruined any political future he thought he had and that he spends the rest of his life thinking about the suffering he caused through his horrible policies.
 
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