do you mean “not working” or “insufficient”?
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Not doing what they hoped they would do.
Let's see, darkest days ever and ever is coming he said with a smirk. He said 100% that the one lucky essential worker ((ditch digger or AC teach dude or now the furnace guy)) in a household of 8 that are all on lockdown comes home from catching Rona from another essential hard worker or house he was in helping bring heat to a cold house. Everyone else is on lock down and then dad brings the virus home. His dum kids who have their guard down then sneak out to play with other kids dum friends. He also said that now more then ever healthy people are dropping like flies. He didnt give any data or stats but he says so, so he is right. He blamed the kids again like they all do. He also thinks LA is fired up & excited with hope sprinkled on top about the vaccine and because of that many have their guard down because their so hopeful to get that bat virus from Wuhan U that we now know was man made or came from bat cave to lab then to Batman or Batwoman? Something happen here folks. Is this guy for real? He has that smile that is odd to me. Good luck LA, I mean that.
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Many people interpret he phrase “not working” as “having minimal or no effect towards the intended outcome”.
In this case, calling masks “not working” will likely mislead some people into abandoning them entirely. If what you mean is “not doing as much as we had hoped“, perhaps you could say that.
Saying “not working” is at best imprecise. At worst, it puts you in the same logical category as the a-grammatical nitwits saying “virus gonna virus”.
dictionary.com's 3rd definition of "to work" (v, adj): "of a plan or method, to have the desired result or effect".
For the record (again), I do think there's a limited set of circumstances (such as short term exposure in a doctor's office or grocery store) where masks might help, certain masks are better than others (with some actually being counterproductive), and one of the likely but still unproven impacts of masks is reducing viral loads. Saying masks are doing just great has the opposite effect....encourages people to get together (like my church members Christmas eve), because they follow the faith of the science and think masks will protect them indoors for 3+ hours, including their aged grandparents. And you know I do believe: virus gonna virus....nothing short of Chinese/Australian style lockdowns has been shown to stop the virus.
The desperation is palpable but it makes sense at this point....would also resolve some of the side effect concerns with the Moderna vaccine.
www.politico.com
Feds may cut Moderna vaccine doses in half so more people get shots, Warp Speed adviser says
Federal officials have said the U.S. will need to vaccinate roughly 80 percent of the population to achieve herd immunity against the coronavirus.
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The costs may be relatively small (particularly in situations such as stores where people only need to wear masks for a short time period) but it's false to say there are no costs to wearing a mask, particularly for workers and children that have to wear one all day..... If it were really that easy we wouldn't have caught Fauci and others not wearing one when the cameras were rolling.
kickingandscreaming
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I fear that "mask and distance" also misleads some people into believing that wearing a mask is as effective as distancing.
Glitterhater
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"Less happiness"? Well- no shit, we're in a pandemic and nothing is the same.
”mask + distance + outside” is actually very good advice. Just emphasize that it means do all three.
Do you have a better suggestion that is easy to remember?
My younger bro (who is fluent in German....Dad insisted we all learn a 2 non native languages so we ended up with Chinese/Japanese, Russian/French, German/Italian) says like farfegnugen or schadenfreude since the survey was done in German it's a little hard to translate (there are various words for happiness apparently). He says it's probably something like "satisfaction with life" and malaise is probably something closer to "mild depression".
Yeah, they need a good slogan (probably the furthest from my areas of knowledge), but technically it's not really a summation. If you are distanced (depending on the distance, and particularly outside), you don't need a mask. If you are indoors at someone's house for long periods of times, like my church members on Christmas Eve, if someone is sick masks and 6 ft distance is probably not going to save you. My guess is that masks probably do the most good for short periods of exposure and mainly for the employees such as at a supermarket, doctor's office, restaurant pick up, or car servicing. They aren't all equivalent and out of those distancing is the most important (kind of like safe you know what....don't do it, but if you do use.....which BTW don't work in either protecting you from disease or pregnancy full time.....).
But one of the big problems is, as Fauci has admitted, the health experts just aren't being honest with people. Treat them like grownups. Don't over promise like masks are better than vaccines because then when Los Angeles happens your credibility is shot (masks aren't working because the masks don't meet the goals you set). Better to say hey we think they help a little, particularly indoors for short periods of exposure...distancing is far more important, but care about your fellow person and if you are going indoors please wear a mask...it might even reduce the viral loads....and hey one-off surgicals are much better than cloth and you can get rid of those bandanas and gaiters. Well, marketing isn't really my area but I do know lying and manipulating your audience isn't a successful program long term.
The reason why they aren't doing it, BTW, I suspect is the same reason the teachers don't want to go back (and if you look back historically it's related to our supply problems in April/May). They have to tell the grocery store employees, meat packers, factory workers, restaurant workers (who can't afford weekly testing like the studios do on productions) there's nothing we can do to protect them and no one wants to do that....hence masks are better than vaccines.
I wasn't looking for a mathematical formula. Even if I had one, very few people could read it.
I was looking for a short bit of advice. "Mask, distance, outdoors- do all three" is decent advice that lowers transmission and still lets you see friends.
By contrast, "virus gonna virus" is awful advice. It is pure useless fatalism. It just encourages people to give up and adopt the kinds of behavior that make the pandemic worse.
So, stop making excuses for yourself and just do it. Mask, distance, and stay outside. It isn't that hard.
Like I said, I don't do marketing, but a more valuable piece of advice is for the authorities to just stop lying to people if they want to keep any shreds of credibility. That just encourages people to stop listening to anything they say, and no pithy slogan will save them.
"virus gonna virus" by contrast isn't advice. It's criticism of heavy handed NPIs which short of Chinese/Australian style lockdowns don't do very much.
kickingandscreaming
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I think it makes sense to approach it as we approach sex education. The only guarantee is abstinence (distance), but if you can't abstain use protection (mask), but know that protection is not 100%.
"Virus gonna virus" is better described as an excuse used by those who have already decided they don't want to follow public health guidance.
You claim it is inevitable, which means you are now free to do anything you want. ( After all, how can you be blamed for causing something that was going to happen anyway? )
There are intelligent criticisms of specific NPI. "Virus gonna virus" isn't one of them.
Desert Hound
DA
The virus is going to virus.
If only there were some way to compare a mask up approach, lockdowns, school closures vs places that didn't do what CA has done.
Oh wait there is.
As of today CA has 61k cases per million
TX has 62k cases per million
FL has 63k cases per million.
If you have a school age kid, own a biz, work for a biz that has been deemed unessential, TX and Fl would be the places to be at.
Had the CA approach worked we would see vastly different results. The idea is to stop the spread right? And yet the CA approach has produced the same results as 2 of the states who are in the widest open category.
Masks?
Before it became politicized the CDC listed a long list of studies all that showed that even in medical setting with professionals, masks had little utility in stopping the spread of the flu. Those studies had been done over the course of decades.
The science hasn't changed. The politics have. We have seen the "experts" here and abroad move the goal posts, change their explanations, etc. That has been driven in large part by politics. Politicians want to be seen as problem solvers and doing something. CA falls deeply into that group.
Just got off the phone with my pediatrician friend. She's just inundated. She got the first dose of the vaccine (moderna). Wasn't as bad as she thought it would be. Her pet theory is the mutant strain of the virus is all over Los Angeles. People masking up and with minimal contacts are getting sick. Anecdotally the cases she's seeing now are much less severe than those she saw in the spring, though admittedly she doesn't see much by way of elderly people, even family member. She thinks in LA County there's not much hope of middle schools or high schools being reopened this spring.
Why keep everyone in their house where the virus lives? I heard sunshine and the D Vit works wonders
It's called Junk for a reason.
Desert Hound
DA
It is important to remember this....
"Although they represent less than 1 percent of the U.S. population and just over 0.5 percent of COVID-19 cases, nursing home residents accounted for nearly 39 percent of COVID-19 deaths through December 10."
www.heritage.org
"Although they represent less than 1 percent of the U.S. population and just over 0.5 percent of COVID-19 cases, nursing home residents accounted for nearly 39 percent of COVID-19 deaths through December 10."
Mask Mandates: Do They Work? Are There Better Ways to Control COVID-19 Outbreaks?
A surge in COVID-19 cases in the United States and Europe has prompted calls for a national mask mandate here in America. Advocates of government edicts have asserted that these would bring the pandemic “under control” in a matter of weeks. The authors of this Backgrounder found that 97 of the...
www.heritage.org
kickingandscreaming
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Is this correct? If so, wow.