Bad News Thread

Mask are sold out for back to school at all the Big Box stores. What a bunch of sore losers. Seriously, you cheat, lie and steal and still make children wear a mask. Custom Millstones for all of you who use kids as pawns and other evil crap. I warned you all. It's not too late to repent and go with the light, truth. honesty and fairness for all. Stop hurting the children you MOFOs!!!

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crush said:
Can you see this as a bio weapon at all Grace? Is it possible that the end game is to get everyone jabbed with poison? This is what I firmly believe and it's easy to see from my perch. I know these selfish bastards all too well and they are losing their power unlike at any other time in history. That's why all the lying, cheating is coming out for all to see. The light is ON and never going away, The light won :)
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No I don’t think it’s a bio weapon. It’s not efficient enough to be a bio weapon. But I do think it probably is a massive Chinese mistake coupled with some really shitty behavior on their part

as to the vaccine, either way now it seems to be a series of mistakes by the experts. If Gottliebm is right: the rushed testing and the rapid two shot protocol was a mistake for most of the population…if Campbell is right post vaccine npis would be a mistake. These mistakes would occurred because of incentives: a rush to end this in part for political reasons, sloppiness, and money. But then our expert classes can’t even withdraw from Afghanistan without a debacle happening so why are we surprised.
 
Grace T. said:
No I don’t think it’s a bio weapon. .
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The vax silly, not the virus. My pal from Stanford says the virus is the Flu A and B. When you add a mask + fear + jabs, you got problems. The mouth is dirty and keeping the dirt in the mask is unhealthy. Kids are now used to it as our find teachers have told us. It's their new normal with no end in site because this is the end. Two choices two choose Grace and the others. Truth or Lie. No dares anymore either. You must pick the Truth or Lie. Light or Darkness. Christ or Lucifer. The truth is the best treatment in a healthy immune system, good diet and exercise. If you do all that and cut out meat and booz you will be safe. Take that to the bank baby!!! If one does feel ill, therapeutics are the way to go and not the ER unless you can;t breath and you already took the jabs and have been wearing a mask 24/7. In that case, go. Doc pal says their is no Covid 19. Covid btw spelled backwards is Divoc. It's Latin word. Dominion means? Mask? 6 feet? Two jabs or no buy or sell? Patent #060606..........The logo? Harvesting baby parts for profit? How far down the rabbit hole have you gone down Grace? My pal Alice is wondering.


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EvilGoalie 21 said:
Diff EQ on the soccer forum! Am I tired of this or not? I don't know. Not as fun as it was back in the Climate and Weather days, though. But always interesting. By the way, not only are you supposed to be scared, but if I followed it correctly your world has now been completely rocked and you're supposed to be doing a Balfour burn it to the ground kind of freak-out. So I was doing some other stuff on the side just sort of waiting for the drama. It was initially 5-4-3-2-1, and you were supposed to be on. But I think now we are down to 1/512 and dropping in an asymptotic way. You know, "You better be buckled before I get to....fractions". Once it drops below Iz's death/case ratios, however, that's it. Calling it a day.
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Good call.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
After reading through the thread you seem to be projecting it yet another attempt to squirm away from your statements.
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Good morning Husker. Be honest with the group. How have the dreams been? Be honest.......My dreams are amazing although I did have one the other day where two guys were chasing me at a park and I was asking others for help and no one would help me.
 
I think we should go for it today and debate the issues of today. I think most of us have been going back & forth now for over three years. I think were going to see a blackout and a new kind of internet so let's get some last swings in. I'll start.
t was on fire last night I hear. I ws on a date with my wife and missed it. He did start his speech right at 5:55pm, wink wink. Dude said woke=loser.....lol!!!
We have lot's of liars and losers right about now in our country. Who will have the last laugh? Some of you judged the book and the cover and failed to read the book.

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dad4 said:
I think they said that the virus spreads like chickenpox among nonvaccinated.

I haven’t seen anything about whether Delta can spread in a vaccinated community. Martha’s Vineyard is giving us a nice natural experiment this month.

It has now been two weeks since the private jets flew in on August 07 to seed the island with Delta. They had a one day peak of 28 cases just after the party, but it’s been inching down since then. 17 cases a couple days ago.

So, slow decline, on a very wealthy island with a 95% vaccination rate.
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"The bottom line was that, in contrast to the other variants, vaccinated people, even if they didn't get sick, got infected and shed virus at similar levels as unvaccinated people who got infected," Dr. Walter Orenstein, who heads the Emory Vaccine Center and who viewed the documents, told CNN.
 
Hypothesis: the majority of people currently taking offense at analogies between lockdowns and the Taliban (or North Korea or other similar authoritarian regimes) are doing so primarily because these comparisons hit a little too close to home for their own comfort.

Yes, the comparisons involve a degree of hyperbole and intentionally so. But there’s more than enough of an authoritarian flavor to lockdowns, to the ways they were enacted, and to the basic curtailment of freedom that they entail to place them in the same ballpark as the types of policies that we usually associate with third world dictatorships or communist regimes.

Of course we also know that most of the offense taken here is feigned precisely because the very same people who get outraged at these comparisons spent the last 1.5 years indulging in far more severe hyperbole by likening even modest expressions of skepticism about lockdowns and masks to eugenics, ethnic cleansing, racism, and attempted murder.
 
Kicker4Life said:
"The bottom line was that, in contrast to the other variants, vaccinated people, even if they didn't get sick, got infected and shed virus at similar levels as unvaccinated people who got infected," Dr. Walter Orenstein, who heads the Emory Vaccine Center and who viewed the documents, told CNN.
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I think there is a question of duration. Not just "what level if virus do you emit?", but also "for how many days are you emitting high levels of virus?".

The claim is that vaccinated folks spend less time emitting, because it takes less time before their immune system kicks in.

There is also a question of probability of infection. If vaccinated people are less likely to get covid, then they are also less likely to spread it- even if the disease per patient is identical.

Data in Santa Clara County is that unvaccinated folks are testing positive at four times the rate for vaccinated people.

I suspect the "same as unvaccinated" headline was an attempt to shift public behavior towards acceptance of universal masking.

I am happy to do my part and I fully support universal indoor masking, but I'm not a fan of playing data games to justify it.
 
dad4 said:
I think there is a question of duration. Not just "what level if virus do you emit?", but also "for how many days are you emitting high levels of virus?".

The claim is that vaccinated folks spend less time emitting, because it takes less time before their immune system kicks in.

There is also a question of probability of infection. If vaccinated people are less likely to get covid, then they are also less likely to spread it- even if the disease per patient is identical.

Data in Santa Clara County is that unvaccinated folks are testing positive at four times the rate for vaccinated people.

I suspect the "same as unvaccinated" headline was an attempt to shift public behavior towards acceptance of universal masking.

I am happy to do my part and I fully support universal indoor masking, but I'm not a fan of playing data games to justify it.
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Lol! You just did.
 
New university of Waterloo mannequin mask study. Low efficacy (10%) for reduction of aerosolized particle for cloth masks. Surgical about the same. Kn and n95s performed substantially better but has to be fitted without gaps (problematic for kids). If you all are going the Gottlieb route and want low level npis you are going to have to do higher quality masks and ban home made ones let alone bandanas and gaiters
 
Summary and study itself here. You all will recall I said cloth masks probably reduced particles from 5-15%....this study found 10% which puts me at the bullseye...yet another thing you can throw on my list of rightness. The study also found ventilation was sometimes even more effective than masks. Cloth masks only had a 50% reduction through the material, but the majority of escape was in the gaps around the mask. The recommendation is better masks + ventilation.

Based on the study, also here's an anecdote. DS and I were enjoying our Sunday dinner at a Mexican restaurant, outdoors, no masks. A 4-5 year old girl walks in with her family at a neighboring table....she's wearing a full size adult surgical masks. Larger than 3 cm holes gaping around her cheeks. Extrapolating from the study, that mask is doing nothing to protect her, nothing to protect those around her, but yet is acceptable in school. Go figure

If y'all want to do masking, we've got to stop the security theater of cloth masks. The discussion should be about mandating higher quality masks and what the costs and benefits are of that. Y'all don't want to do that, though, because you know the majority will tell you to stuff it, particularly when it comes to putting kids in those masks all day, as illustrated by our dinner neighbors.

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Experimental investigation of indoor aerosol dispersion and accumulation in the context of COVID-19: Effects of masks and ventilation

The ongoing COVID-19 pandemic has highlighted the importance of aerosol dispersion in disease transmission in indoor environments. The present study experimentally investigates the dispersion and b...
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dad4 said:
I think there is a question of duration. Not just "what level if virus do you emit?", but also "for how many days are you emitting high levels of virus?".

The claim is that vaccinated folks spend less time emitting, because it takes less time before their immune system kicks in.

There is also a question of probability of infection. If vaccinated people are less likely to get covid, then they are also less likely to spread it- even if the disease per patient is identical.

Data in Santa Clara County is that unvaccinated folks are testing positive at four times the rate for vaccinated people.

I suspect the "same as unvaccinated" headline was an attempt to shift public behavior towards acceptance of universal masking.

I am happy to do my part and I fully support universal indoor masking, but I'm not a fan of playing data games to justify it.
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So you are saying they lied to us (yet again!!!)? We actually agree on something since the most recent data does not support the notion vaccinated folks have the probability of infection: lower viral loads, lower time period contagious, less likely to get COVID or at a minimum a high viral load case.
 
Grace T. said:
So you are saying they lied to us (yet again!!!)? We actually agree on something since the most recent data does not support the notion vaccinated folks have the probability of infection: lower viral loads, lower time period contagious, less likely to get COVID or at a minimum a high viral load case.
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Further to this....
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Virological and serological kinetics of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant vaccine-breakthrough infections: a multi-center cohort study

Objectives Highly effective vaccines against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) have been developed but variants of concerns (VOCs) with mutations in the spike protein are worrisome, especially B.1.617.2 (Delta) which has rapidly spread across the world. We aim to study...
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