Bruddah IZ
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Let's see how the high vax areas respond to a mandated third shot. Lol!!
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Bruddah IZ
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You're not describing anything new above
Bruddah IZ
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Yes.
EvilGoalie 21
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Maybe. IMO would have to normalize for lots of other variables. I think the confidence intervals would be large so need big numbers to say anything with statistical relevance.
Kind of ironic but I think there is an argument that the best way to drive down community transmission with delta is low tech NPIs. But it would take substantial buy in and in this country its just not going to happen. I came across a nice review of masks a bit ago, peer reviewed, well done, not a think tank thing. Went through the history of how masks have been around long time, interwoven into basic concepts of hygiene. Mamma saying "grab a damn tissue when you sneeze and don't double dip the guac". Same idea. And now epidemiologists have these mathematical models where can plug in different participation rates, different R0s and see how much buy in need to make a difference.
The study I'd like to see right now is how much neutralizing Ab memory is out there in the <12 year old crowd. Since its probably still going to be a bit since they have the option for the jab.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Shrug. Didn't write it for you. Go miscalculate another IFR.
Bruddah IZ
DA
On the effectiveness of masks, a good summary of evidence. Note mask mandates may "work" where masks themselves don't, because forced to wear masks many people choose not to go out in the first place. But mandatory dunce caps would work as well for that.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Not hard to do with a PCR test.
Hüsker Dü
DA
People who've had COVID, twice as likely to get reinfected than those who get vaccinated, CDC says
Residents who were infected with COVID in 2020 experienced a reinfection between May and June of 2021. That's the same time the Delta variant intensified across the country.
abc7news.com
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Late last year Internal government study concluded that with their approach to the pandemic they needed to implement better isolation of nursing homes patients to prevent their big first wave.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
that's why studies like the one I posted earlier with the Ct values are key. A lot of what the media are calling breakthrough infections are probably not much of an infection at all. At any rate, beats the human Ace2 adapted gerbil test.
The low level npis aren’t driving down cases in heavily vaccinated Israel or Iceland. Even if you assume argue so they did something against covid prime, they don’t seem to be working as well against the delta. Even Oster has said cloth masks are useless. At this point by way of masking you are looking at n95s on everyone (which for kids in school is not a low level intervention) or surgicals with some enhancement. Even with heavy handed npis australia is struggling to contain the delta
Thanks.People who've had COVID, twice as likely to get reinfected than those who get vaccinated, CDC says
Residents who were infected with COVID in 2020 experienced a reinfection between May and June of 2021. That's the same time the Delta variant intensified across the country.
Doesn’t say much about immunity. It may just be that, if you were prone to catch respiratory diseases in December, you were still prone to catch respiratory diseases in July.
Or it may slice the other way. People who had covid probably don’t suddenly decide to take larger risks. But people who get vaccines definitely do.
Not much to that article or information regarding their study. Just "I think that is very likely because we know the Delta variant is so much more infectious," said Dr. Srivastava.People who've had COVID, twice as likely to get reinfected than those who get vaccinated, CDC says
Residents who were infected with COVID in 2020 experienced a reinfection between May and June of 2021. That's the same time the Delta variant intensified across the country.
So know real data showing one (vax) versus the other (previous infection). Again, I’m open minded and genuinely curious (until the name calling starts).
Bruddah IZ
DA
Link to government study? Before espola ask.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Wonder if the study takes in to account that theres not much you can do about being (70) elderly at some point. Just ask the insurance companies. Ever wonder why you can get term insurance for cheap but usually for not longer than 30 years? And if you want to extend it another 30 years 'till you're 70 plus, won't be able to afford that policy. It's been like that for a very long time despite deadly viruses. No need to go all scientific on us. The actuaries cut right through all of the bullshit to get to death$. Show me an increase in Premiums for term life and just maybe you can convince me that "better" one size fits all policies could have helped Sweden do better.
Bruddah IZ
DA
FREAKIN' HILARIOUS
Here is a survey, just completed (so this isn't from April 2020, bear in mind), of "infectious disease experts."
Red is a NO answer.
Surveys such as this one reveal that the epidemiology profession is a hotbed of statistical illiterates, paranoiacs, and outright crazy people.
Similar surveys in the past have revealed a high prevalence of other bizarre behavioral patterns by epidemiologists, such as refusing to touch their mail for three days out of fear that it contains Covid. [TW note: The New York Times reported on this last summer; one-third of epidemiologists surveyed were refusing to get their mail. As of two months ago, 17% of them were still afraid of their mail.]
These results are not coming from the fringes of the profession either, but rather its "leading" voices. For example, the survey depicted in the image included Michael Osterholm -- a former member of Biden's covid task force and a prominent lockdowner spokesman on TV for the last year.
If innumeracy, absurd distortions of risk assessment, and quack beliefs about taking radical steps to avoid safe and common public activities are indeed widespread among epidemiologists, perhaps we should stop treating these people as experts and instead look upon their advice as one would view medical advice from an astrologer or homeopath.
(Please, homeopath friends, do not send me angry emails. I am simply including the entire quotation.)
It is this insane, lunatic standard that is used to "fact check" the normal people.
People who are afraid of their mail want to "fact check" you.
Hence the need for uncensored discussion among intelligent people without being "fact checked" by hypochondriacs.
Here is a survey, just completed (so this isn't from April 2020, bear in mind), of "infectious disease experts."
Red is a NO answer.
Surveys such as this one reveal that the epidemiology profession is a hotbed of statistical illiterates, paranoiacs, and outright crazy people.
Similar surveys in the past have revealed a high prevalence of other bizarre behavioral patterns by epidemiologists, such as refusing to touch their mail for three days out of fear that it contains Covid. [TW note: The New York Times reported on this last summer; one-third of epidemiologists surveyed were refusing to get their mail. As of two months ago, 17% of them were still afraid of their mail.]
These results are not coming from the fringes of the profession either, but rather its "leading" voices. For example, the survey depicted in the image included Michael Osterholm -- a former member of Biden's covid task force and a prominent lockdowner spokesman on TV for the last year.
If innumeracy, absurd distortions of risk assessment, and quack beliefs about taking radical steps to avoid safe and common public activities are indeed widespread among epidemiologists, perhaps we should stop treating these people as experts and instead look upon their advice as one would view medical advice from an astrologer or homeopath.
(Please, homeopath friends, do not send me angry emails. I am simply including the entire quotation.)
It is this insane, lunatic standard that is used to "fact check" the normal people.
People who are afraid of their mail want to "fact check" you.
Hence the need for uncensored discussion among intelligent people without being "fact checked" by hypochondriacs.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Twice as likely? Sounds about right for a new virus. Lol! Sounds like the flu every year. Mask up and go see a movie.People who've had COVID, twice as likely to get reinfected than those who get vaccinated, CDC says
Residents who were infected with COVID in 2020 experienced a reinfection between May and June of 2021. That's the same time the Delta variant intensified across the country.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...
This report describes COVID-19 reinfection among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons in Kentucky.
www.cdc.gov
Thx. Interesting. Quite a small test but 2.34x more likey is what it is in this case.Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...
This report describes COVID-19 reinfection among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons in Kentucky.
Hüsker Dü
DA
That was the link to the study from the first reply I posted. I assumed clicking the link to the actual study was a given?