Bruddah IZ
DA
A given is that the next virus is always is always more infectious than the last. You people crack me up.
Bad News Thread
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I did not expect the reporter to get it that wrong.
Reporter’s version: “the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a study reporting that individuals who've had COVID are twice as likely to get reinfected.”.
Actual study: Among those previously infected, those who get vaccinated are less likely to get reinfected. “Among Kentucky residents infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, vaccination status of those reinfected during May–June 2021 was compared with that of residents who were not reinfected. In this case-control study, being unvaccinated was associated with 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with being fully vaccinated.”
So what you’re saying is the only thing you’ve been able to find is one very small case study in Kentucky?
read the study. that’s not what it’s about.
The study is evaluating whether there is any point in vaccinating someone who has some natural immunity. result was a clear yes.
You beat me to it. I have seen and heard this study misreported by reporters and so-called medical experts. If your hear anyone make a claim about the "Kentucky Study" this is the one they are misqouting.
It seems to me based on the data available today in regards to immunity from infection:
Vaccination=Good
Natural immunity=Better
Natural immunity + vaccination=Best
EvilGoalie 21
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I knew about it from contemporary standard click journalism about Dec last year (Reuters, BBC I think). For the actual report I can't find anything other than the pdf in Swedish (http://www.sou.gov.se/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/SOU_2020_80_Äldreomsorgen-under-pandemin_webb.pdf) which prob not much help. Here is a no paywall retrospective that touches on what I understand to be the main issues that were identified, related to protection for elderly in nursing homes, which bore the brunt of Sweden's first COVID wave (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0020731421994848).
what-happened
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Because the vaccine "appears" to (insert any type of contradictory data here).
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
It's an unfortunate aspect of contemporary media that feeds into the mis/disinformation. There is good science reporting, but more and more it is not the stuff that's just going to show up in the feed of your standard media outlet.
Look dad, based on my 10 friends who got jabbed, all of them have been sick at least once. One of them got blood clot and went to the Dr, not ER. He's on blood thinner btw. The other 9 are just pissed because they got sick again and some twice. That's the rub for most and oh by the way, they have to wear a mask indoors now. Dont you dare try and pin this on the unvaccinated. You have crossed a line. The fact is according to Dr. F, not only can you catch IT again, you also can contaminate others like me. Maybe you should just sit this out. All you do is lie!!!
Oh Lord, the old Good, Better and Best.
Healthy life style= Excellent
Natural Immunity= Smart
Natural Immunity + No meat or Booz= Most Excellent Brah
Look at the confidence interval. The study was large enough.
You can get by with a smaller sample if the correlation is strong enough. In this case, it was.
Unfortunately most mainstream reporters know very little about the topic they're reporting. They've been trained in journalism (which is debatable) and not the science, medical, financial, legal fields that they're reporting.
In a previous life I was involved in the investigation of financial frauds, some of which were high profile. Never did I see a report or article in regards to a case that didn't have major factual flaws.
I'm putting together my last stand. Let me know what you guys think of my first paragraph 
Too whom it may concern or Dear ___________________ ((fill in the blank for your situation and the assholes your dealing with)),
What is being proposed to me as an American citizen here in California as to mandating the jabs is exactly what our Military Court tried and convicted and hung German Doctors, soldiers, nurses and administrators for in 1945. These mandates, threats of losing job, not being able to buy or sell and orders as they sit today are ILLIGAL. These are exceptionally narrow circumstance and rigorous steps must be undertaken before the President or anyone who thinks they alone can waive anyone's Informed Consent rights. Otherwise, this behavior is characterized as a WAR CRIME, which was first recognized as an International crime because of Nuremberg trials: which became the Nuremberg Code ((law)) and was fully adopted by the USA and DoD in 1957. Informed Consent is a basic Human Right Jackos and is guaranteed by the Constitution and the International Convention signed by most of the countries on this planet, per the attached ((article 7)).
Too whom it may concern or Dear ___________________ ((fill in the blank for your situation and the assholes your dealing with)),
What is being proposed to me as an American citizen here in California as to mandating the jabs is exactly what our Military Court tried and convicted and hung German Doctors, soldiers, nurses and administrators for in 1945. These mandates, threats of losing job, not being able to buy or sell and orders as they sit today are ILLIGAL. These are exceptionally narrow circumstance and rigorous steps must be undertaken before the President or anyone who thinks they alone can waive anyone's Informed Consent rights. Otherwise, this behavior is characterized as a WAR CRIME, which was first recognized as an International crime because of Nuremberg trials: which became the Nuremberg Code ((law)) and was fully adopted by the USA and DoD in 1957. Informed Consent is a basic Human Right Jackos and is guaranteed by the Constitution and the International Convention signed by most of the countries on this planet, per the attached ((article 7)).
Bruddah IZ
DA
In addition to the booster shot, mask, and lockdowns. Like I said you people crack me up.
Shots Bruddah, not shot. I hear this is a never ending war on humanity type of war. The last rumor I heard was that their are a few Red Haired Giants in the Kandahar Mountains. My old sales rep Ahmad told me about this Giant of a Legend and he say's it's true 100%. I laughed back then but not now. These giants are like 15-20 feet tall and are protecting all the precious stones, gold and precious metals in Kandahar. The Giants dont give a shit about the heroine. Their hooked on the Gold and have been for some time and were hooked on opium.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Pretty thin. And of course they had to spend quite a bit of time on the many fallacies that prop up the argument for inequality. I've read better on their nursing/homecare challenges.
EvilGoalie 21
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You can have your opinion. I can have my opinion. Whatever. Bottom line. Sweden had a big up front mortality hit, particularly relative to other Scandanavian countries. The government thought the comps were bad and it wasn't such a good look. If there's a segment of the twitterati out there that wants to jump up and down about Sweden being such a great success story....yada, yada, yada, freedom, that's got to be put on the scales as well. And like I said there's is a valid argument for paying the penalty up front. But that doesn't mean there's not a penalty. And just because it happened more than two weeks ago doesn't mean it's not true.
Hüsker Dü
DA
This ain’t a job nor a hobby. So are we saying 2.34 times more chance doesn’t mean 2.34 times more as more than double? What am I missing there?
Bruddah IZ
DA
Morbid facts are hardly a jump up and down event. But YOUR counterfactual thinking is based on what previous event that mandated lockdowns and other denial of due process rights?
Not specific to you… but what is missing is any discussion of time intervals between original/most recent antibody response and date of re-infection.
There is a reason booster shots are advised… vaccination of a prior natural immune response would act very similar to a booster shot in a fully vaccinated individual.
Vaccine + Booster = better than vaccination alone in the next time interval
Natural infection + Vaccine = better than either alone in the next time interval
Natural infection + reinfected = better than just one infection in the next time interval
Now, can both sides stop ignoring the other when it comes to policy?