Bad News Thread

happy9 said:
Public schools will die a slow death. Education gap by demographic will widen. Teacher unions will continue to morph into PACs, and many teachers who want to do right by their kids will take notice of their unions. If you are a teacher, I'm not attacking you. Your unions are starting to taste a little different. If yours it GTG, then great.

There is a term used often in low income areas - Food deserts. Education deserts may become a thing. It's unfortunate. I give credit to our school district, they are trying hard to remain relevant. They understand the dollars and sense and have not shut down since we opened. They are staring down their own pandemic - parents pulling kids out of the district straight into Charter and Privates.
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I grew up in public schools, taught in public schools and I had been a big proponent of public education. However, where I live they have become more interested in power and serving what they believe is their interest than in serving the public. Recently, there was a case where a student took mathematics classes over the summer that are UC approved and the district refused to accept the classes and the child had to take the class over in school. They justified their placement policy as "protecting" children from overbearing parents. I had to laugh that this was the reason they gave. Less than three years ago we discovered homeschooling was actually much easier than we imagined. It also fit our daughter's personality, she got ahead in her areas of interest and it gave us unimagined flexibility. If the school would have worked with us, just a little, we wouldn't have considered pulling her out. I wouldn't be surprised to see a several percent drop in the enrollment in public education. I'd also expect it to be skewed toward the high performers.
 
It's here!!!!

Today we discovered Colorado’s first case of the COVID-19 variant B.1.1.7, the same variant discovered in the UK.

Now what are we going to do? C.9.9.3 might be 10x worse then this variant of the B.1.1.7 from the Covid 19.

 
kickingandscreaming said:
. I'd also expect it to be skewed toward the high performers.
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In California, there are a few other factors as well at play that will accelerate this including: a) revision of reading lists to include more diverse material and tilting away from the classics, b) history revision resulting from the 1619 project, c) a growing emphasis in schools away from the fundamentals and towards instruction like diversity/sex ed/activism, d) the ongoing math issues resulting from the common core, and e) continued slide away from gifted programs. Any one of those on their own isn't enough to tilt things, but when taken together it lessens the value of the package as a whole for high performing students. Since high performing is correlated to high income, there you go.....
 
Only way this is happening is if frontline workers (including the office workers, security, back room support like radiologists and back office support like admins and accountants) are saying no in at least modest numbers.

ktla.com

After Disney employee says she got COVID-19 vaccine, Redlands hospital confirms some lower-priority workers are getting shots

Nearly as soon as the COVID-19 vaccine was made available in California, accounts started emerging of people skipping the priority line ahead of front-line workers and long-term care residents. Mos…
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Grace T. said:
Only way this is happening is if frontline workers (including the office workers, security, back room support like radiologists and back office support like admins and accountants) are saying no in at least modest numbers.

ktla.com

After Disney employee says she got COVID-19 vaccine, Redlands hospital confirms some lower-priority workers are getting shots

Nearly as soon as the COVID-19 vaccine was made available in California, accounts started emerging of people skipping the priority line ahead of front-line workers and long-term care residents. Mos…
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I am sure there will be some level of corruption in all this, but if they have the vaccine and not enough show up in the group that is approved, just give it to someone that hasn't had it yet. I worry a lot more about waiting around to give shots to "approved" groups than I do about people trying to jump the line. There are definitely indications that point to a painfully slow rollout.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
I am sure there will be some level of corruption in all this, but if they have the vaccine and not enough show up in the group that is approved, just give it to someone that hasn't had it yet. I worry a lot more about waiting around to give shots to "approved" groups than I do about people trying to jump the line. There are definitely indications that point to a painfully slow rollout.
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it will become much worse though as they start doing it by job. How are you going to police that? How do you prove you are a supermarket worker? You’d have to build a website with employee verification into it. Or turn it over to companies (and they’ll be screaming when the ceo families get it too and some janitor dies because they ran out). Then there’s also the issue that Rich and near rich people are offering bocu bucks for it. Some are easier: cops, teachers (you go through the school district), firefighters, military. But once you get out of the government controlled rosters it get really hard with supermarket workers, sanitation contractors, studio audiovisual production, airlines and transport.

the easiest way to do it is by age. Most folks have Some form of Id and even if you make Limited exemptions it’s hard for a 50 year old to pose as a 70 year old. If you have left over in a group offer it to the next 5 years.
 
Grace T. said:
it will become much worse though as they start doing it by job. How are you going to police that? How do you prove you are a supermarket worker? You’d have to build a website with employee verification into it. Or turn it over to companies (and they’ll be screaming when the ceo families get it too and some janitor dies because they ran out). Then there’s also the issue that Rich and near rich people are offering bocu bucks for it. Some are easier: cops, teachers (you go through the school district), firefighters, military. But once you get out of the government controlled rosters it get really hard with supermarket workers, sanitation contractors, studio audiovisual production, airlines and transport.

the easiest way to do it is by age. Most folks have Some form of Id and even if you make Limited exemptions it’s hard for a 50 year old to pose as a 70 year old. If you have left over in a group offer it to the next 5 years.
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Agree. Maybe have regular clinics give vaccines based on age and use "mobile" clinics to go to places of work? Churches in some communities will give easier access to larger numbers of those typically underserved. I feel like the worst "crime" in this will be having vaccines sitting for days/weeks while you try to get the "correct" group to the clinic.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Agree. Maybe have regular clinics give vaccines based on age and use "mobile" clinics to go to places of work? Churches in some communities will give easier access to larger numbers of those typically underserved. I feel like the worst "crime" in this will be having vaccines sitting for days/weeks while you try to get the "correct" group to the clinic.
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One problem is they don't have the staff to do mobile clinics. For the H1N1 vaccine they relied on separate gathering places in community centers. You also have the temperature problem with these particular vaccines (at least until the AZ vaccine is out). Finally, there's the difficulty of going place to place: you need someone to schedule it with the local Vons, you need the Vons to have all their workers show up (including those who are off shift), and then you need to move onto the next Vons which involves cutting through traffic. That's also something that has to be coordinated with corporate, not the local store manager who doesn't have authority to do it. The studios and tech companies will have an easier time of it....you can just have employees gather at the central campus. Same for police...there's a central police station. A university could do it, so could a local school district. But the truly essential workers are scattered about, which means a lot of red tape and delay as you try and coordinate vaccination schedules for mobile units. Then you have to catch not only the Vons but also all the little ones (ma and pa's local deli)....they want to do restaurant workers too which is a nightmare to coordinate a Chili's let alone every taco shop in Los Angeles.

If not having vaccine sit around unused is our goal, the way to do it would be regular clinics based on age, and then give it to the large corps with central locations (you could also do universities on the same rational, as well as school districts). The problem is all those people are well-off, less diverse, and many are working from home remotely. Doesn't really meet the equity requirements California has laid out, which brings us back to then just do it by age....also easy to schedule and develop an app for an appointment.
 
Vaccine rollout is stumbling. I swear govt officials are such idiots....it's not like any of this hasn't been foreseen by people (including people on these boards)......

p.s. there's no way on earth I'm waiting 2 hours in a line, let alone 24 hours overnight, to get the vaccine. I'm sure my folks will. I'm not.

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COVID-19 vaccine rollout falls short of expectations, raising questions about 2021 timeline

The U.S. vaccine rollout moved slower than expected, stoking fears of systemic problems and people having to wait months longer to get their shot.
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Grace T. said:
Vaccine rollout is stumbling. I swear govt officials are such idiots....it's not like any of this hasn't been foreseen by people (including people on these boards)......

p.s. there's no way on earth I'm waiting 2 hours in a line, let alone 24 hours overnight, to get the vaccine. I'm sure my folks will. I'm not.

abcnews.go.com

COVID-19 vaccine rollout falls short of expectations, raising questions about 2021 timeline

The U.S. vaccine rollout moved slower than expected, stoking fears of systemic problems and people having to wait months longer to get their shot.
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It's good that there are those that are anxious to get it and willing to wait early in the process when the efficiency of delivery is an issue. If I understood what is going on in FL, clinics just advertised it was available first-come, first-serve if you are 65 and older. Lots of glitches, but the process will improve as they go, right?

www.usatoday.com

Long lines, crashing websites, conflicting information confound COVID-19 vaccine rollout to Florida seniors

A move by Gov. DeSantis to prioritize immunization of those 65 and older lead to lines, confusion as counties and hospitals scramble to meet demand.
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Grace T. said:
Errrrr..........


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UPDATE: It's been a whirlwind 24 hours for American craft distillers, but 2020 is ending with some good news: Thanks to media coverage, including here
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Classic case of gov screwing stuff up.

By the way I notice the pro lockdown and mask group lead by the esteemed @dad4 have gone silent.

I guess when the preferred solution you have advocated for and states and countries have tried 2 times now clearly doesn't work, there isn't much to fall back on. When other states had spikes they were quick to assign blame...restaurants, masks, etc. When CA who has all those policies in place has the worst spike recently in the nation, there isn't much to say since those policies didn't work...again.
 
Desert Hound said:
Classic case of gov screwing stuff up.

By the way I notice the pro lockdown and mask group lead by the esteemed @dad4 have gone silent.

I guess when the preferred solution you have advocated for and states and countries have tried 2 times now clearly doesn't work, there isn't much to fall back on. When other states had spikes they were quick to assign blame...restaurants, masks, etc. When CA who has all those policies in place has the worst spike recently in the nation, there isn't much to say since those policies didn't work...again.
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The bitch train is getting on planes to Scottsdale as we speak. Even EOTL... though he/she only needs 1 ticket.
 
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