Bruddah IZ
DA
Yes. Herd immunity and therapies being overlooked. My buddy Duane turned 89 this year. Caught COVID last November and was touch and go until he got some prednisone to sort him out. Celebrated his 89th about a month ago!
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whatithink
GOLD
My point is that Congress, and Paul in particular, are always grandstanding to blame someone, anyone, after the fact, for political gain. They have absolutely, as you say, surrendered their power and their constitutional role, for what - short term political expediency.
As for Presidents - they can kill it immediately.
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"In 2014 the administration of US President Barack Obama called for a “pause” on funding (and relevant research with existing US Government funding) of GOF experiments involving influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses in particular."
Gain-of-Function Research: Ethical Analysis - PMC
Gain-of-function (GOF) research involves experimentation that aims or is expected to (and/or, perhaps, actually does) increase the transmissibility and/or virulence of pathogens. Such research, when conducted by responsible scientists, usually aims ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Bruddah IZ
DA
Certainly wouldn't be the first time government funded a crisis just so that they would have something to fix.My point is that Congress, and Paul in particular, are always grandstanding to blame someone, anyone, after the fact, for political gain. They have absolutely, as you say, surrendered their power and their constitutional role, for what - short term political expediency.
As for Presidents - they can kill it immediately.
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"In 2014 the administration of US President Barack Obama called for a “pause” on funding (and relevant research with existing US Government funding) of GOF experiments involving influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses in particular."
Gain-of-Function Research: Ethical Analysis - PMC
Gain-of-function (GOF) research involves experimentation that aims or is expected to (and/or, perhaps, actually does) increase the transmissibility and/or virulence of pathogens. Such research, when conducted by responsible scientists, usually aims ...
Desert Hound
DA
And despite that funding continued on, which Fauci was aware of.
At the beginning of this when it was floated it was possibly man made he said not possible. This despite him on email communications receiving info that indeed it may be.
His story has changed on this over time.
Do politicians grandstand? All day long they do.
On this though Paul is right. Fauci in earlier testimony said no funding had gone towards gain of function. Turns out that is not correct.
The real question though regardless of covid is why are we sending money to China to do any of this kind of research in the first place? And why if we are doing to do it, why continue funding when internal reports show there was concern regarding their safety procedures?
One might also ask why did funding continue on despite O calling for a pause on this type of research? Do agencies just do what they want and ignore what Presidents say? That was a trick question. Of course they do.
Have you found that scientific evidence yet? It might help with trying to understand the current controversy.
what-happened
GOLD
We are dealing with the government, no science needed. If they think it's plausible that it was a lab leak, then we should all be on board - simple as that. Trust in your government, no ifs, ands, or buts.
Which "they" are you referring to?
I was responding to Dad4'a claim "I’ve read scientific evidence for a lab leak" in response to a scholarly review article that said there was no such evidence.
Just looking for clarity.
Desert Hound
DA
There have been a number of prominent scientists that now say it is in the realm of possibility this was a lab leak.
An article out yesterday talking about how much of Biden's top advisors have also come to this conclusion.
You can look it up. I am not looking for links for you.
Desert Hound
DA
So we have been on an exceptional spending spree.
Inflation is back.
"The latest June data already show price inflation at a 13-year high, with prices having risen 5.4 percent year-over-year. Proponents of the big-government policies driving much of this increase insist the uptick in prices is only temporary. But billionaire and grocery chain CEO John Catsimatidis just predicted that overall price inflation, for consumer goods generally, will hit a 6 percent annualized rate by October.
In an interview with Fox Business, the CEO warned that his industry is seeing skyrocketing costs on the supply chain side, and that businesses will have to raise prices for consumers as a result.
“Food prices are getting higher, and we expect even more increases by October,” Catsimatidis said. “You have to pass [those extra costs] on [to consumers] or you’re not doing your duty to God, your country, your employees, and your company.”
While we can’t know for certain, Catsimatidis said rising costs could mean an astounding 10 to 14 percent specific increase in grocery prices by October. That’s truly a shocking amount. But this warning offers more than insight into the grocery industry. It’s a painful reminder of how price inflation hurts everyday Americans."
fee.org
Unrestrained spending is leading to the above issues.
With that in mind consider that the Dems want a 3.7 trillion "infrastructure bill". To put that into perspective. In 2019 the entire budget was 4.4 trillion.
If that thing passes, get ready for a lot more "unintended" consequences. Inflation being one of them.
By the way, been to a gas station recently?
All this spending hurts everyone, but really hurts the people that can least afford it.
Inflation is back.
"The latest June data already show price inflation at a 13-year high, with prices having risen 5.4 percent year-over-year. Proponents of the big-government policies driving much of this increase insist the uptick in prices is only temporary. But billionaire and grocery chain CEO John Catsimatidis just predicted that overall price inflation, for consumer goods generally, will hit a 6 percent annualized rate by October.
In an interview with Fox Business, the CEO warned that his industry is seeing skyrocketing costs on the supply chain side, and that businesses will have to raise prices for consumers as a result.
“Food prices are getting higher, and we expect even more increases by October,” Catsimatidis said. “You have to pass [those extra costs] on [to consumers] or you’re not doing your duty to God, your country, your employees, and your company.”
While we can’t know for certain, Catsimatidis said rising costs could mean an astounding 10 to 14 percent specific increase in grocery prices by October. That’s truly a shocking amount. But this warning offers more than insight into the grocery industry. It’s a painful reminder of how price inflation hurts everyday Americans."
Grocery Prices Could Rise 10 to 14 Percent By October, Grocery Chain CEO Warns
“Food prices are getting higher, and we expect even more increases by October,” billionaire and grocery chain CEO John Catsimatidis said.
fee.org
Unrestrained spending is leading to the above issues.
With that in mind consider that the Dems want a 3.7 trillion "infrastructure bill". To put that into perspective. In 2019 the entire budget was 4.4 trillion.
If that thing passes, get ready for a lot more "unintended" consequences. Inflation being one of them.
By the way, been to a gas station recently?
All this spending hurts everyone, but really hurts the people that can least afford it.
If you wanted clarity, you'd be reading the Nature article on the topic.
The evidence I was thinking of is the double CGG arginine encoding. It works, but it is a weird way to say arginine- especially twice in a row.
I don't mind a debate on the strength of CGG CGG as evidence. But it is misleading to say "no evidence exists". That statement is probably false.
What does CGG CGG have to do with the covid vaccine?
Please try to keep it simple - I'm no biologist.
DNA and RNA triples encode for amino acids. CGG is one of the ways to encode arginine. It is uncommon, but not unknown, in coronaviruses.
One key mutation that makes covid 19 work so well is a double CGG at just the right spot to help it attack human cells.
This is evidence that the mutation was part of gain of function research (where CGG is common) and not part of natural evolution ( where CGG is uncommon.)
No smoking gun, but not "no evidence" either.
whatithink
GOLD
Isn't the infrastructure bill a 10-year planned spend? I also thought the current one is $1.2T, not $3.7T. Big numbers, but comparing a 10-year number to an annual number is disingenuous.So we have been on an exceptional spending spree.
Inflation is back.
"The latest June data already show price inflation at a 13-year high, with prices having risen 5.4 percent year-over-year. Proponents of the big-government policies driving much of this increase insist the uptick in prices is only temporary. But billionaire and grocery chain CEO John Catsimatidis just predicted that overall price inflation, for consumer goods generally, will hit a 6 percent annualized rate by October.
In an interview with Fox Business, the CEO warned that his industry is seeing skyrocketing costs on the supply chain side, and that businesses will have to raise prices for consumers as a result.
“Food prices are getting higher, and we expect even more increases by October,” Catsimatidis said. “You have to pass [those extra costs] on [to consumers] or you’re not doing your duty to God, your country, your employees, and your company.”
While we can’t know for certain, Catsimatidis said rising costs could mean an astounding 10 to 14 percent specific increase in grocery prices by October. That’s truly a shocking amount. But this warning offers more than insight into the grocery industry. It’s a painful reminder of how price inflation hurts everyday Americans."
Grocery Prices Could Rise 10 to 14 Percent By October, Grocery Chain CEO Warns
“Food prices are getting higher, and we expect even more increases by October,” billionaire and grocery chain CEO John Catsimatidis said.
Unrestrained spending is leading to the above issues.
With that in mind consider that the Dems want a 3.7 trillion "infrastructure bill". To put that into perspective. In 2019 the entire budget was 4.4 trillion.
If that thing passes, get ready for a lot more "unintended" consequences. Inflation being one of them.
By the way, been to a gas station recently?
All this spending hurts everyone, but really hurts the people that can least afford it.
How is "unrestrained spending" leading to grocery price increases caused by "skyrocketing costs on the supply chain side"?
" a double CGG at just the right spot to help it attack human cells."
How does that work?
Desert Hound
DA
Actually it is 4.1 trillion. This is as of a few days ago.
"What’s in the $3.5 Trillion Infrastructure Agreement?
Democratic legislators reached a $3.5 trillion Budget Committee agreement to make the “biggest investment in the middle class in decades and act on the climate crisis.” The agreement, combined with the $600 billion bipartisan plan, would add up to $4.1 trillion."
Biden's Infrastructure Bills: Inside the $3 Trillion Plan - SmartAsset
Biden's infrastructure plan will invest roughly $3 trillion on roads, electricity and broadband, as well as Medicare, education and climate change.
smartasset.com
The spending will be done over a period of years. What is interesting and sucks is that they will "pay for it" over a much longer period of time.
In terms of supply chain and inflation?
That is a 2 parter. 1 part is covid related...as in shutdowns, slowdowns, etc have affected supply chains. The 2nd part is prices everywhere are going up. Labor, raw materials, etc. We have spent way to much money and that has put upward pressure on all prices.
You also have changes to energy. Energy prices are more expensive. The new policies are more restrictive. That puts upward pressure on energy. That in turn means shipping, transportation, manufacturing, etc become more expensive.
Between covid and the spending our gov is doing prices are going up.
read the Nature article. Why ask a math guy for the bio lesson?
Which Nature article?
whatithink
GOLD
Covid impacted supply chains and prices have gone up - I get that. Once the supply chains get back on track, prices will start to decline - e.g. the new/used car market is a good example of that (and was one of the main drivers of inflation in May). That's got nothing to do with government spending impacting inflation.
The National Retail Federations view is that the infrastructure spend will not impact inflation in the short term - https://nrf.com/blog/bipartisan-infrastructure-proposal-unlikely-add-overall-inflation.
Oil prices - OPEC+ cut 10M barrels a day in 2020 to get oil prices back up and have slowly been adding back capacity. So oil prices will go down, but they will also continue to restrict prices to keep it as high as possible. They just agreed a new deal to increase capacity this month.
Governments all over the world have spent unprecedented amounts, for good reason.
There are no inflation projections that I can find anywhere close to the double digits in your original article.
I'm not sure the $4T can be called infrastructure and, in any case, it'll never get through.