Bad News Thread

dad4 said:
With respect to factories, you should have an N95, good ventilation, and take your beaks outside.

Half of the things you mentioned are things we should not be doing. You get a low estimate because you assume we socialize indoors: dinner parties, movie theaters, and do on.

Assume we socialize outdoors. It helps.
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Then you have a counting problem. It's not the masks helping then but the shutdown of that stuff. Those don't count as masks unless you can do them with masks.

With respect to the factories, if you make workers work, they are going to socialize. They aren't robots. Don't you remember Tom Cruise's rant against his crew?

But again, you don't care about the actual real world because you are just preaching. You just want everyone to be virtuous, not who they really are (which would be policy)
 
Grace T. said:
Haha....given the teachers I've had over the years, both formal and informal, your statement is probably one of the more arrogant ones I've heard in a while....as I was saying the only guy more than dad4 or I with a bigger sense of self-importance and who even has his own neighborhood, yet never less richly deserved.
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He's so gross Grace.
 
Grace T. said:
Ok now stand in a field outside 18 yard from someone smoking. Can you smell it even in the open air? If so with aerosolized particles the holes (especially on the side of the mask) aren’t doing much to keep you protected and while stopping you from directly blowing in someone’s face are still filling up a poorly circulated room with virus particles.

more interesting (kids just did this for a science experiment in middle school btw) take a cherry throat lozenge, put a mask on, stand six feet away from someone, put a mask on yourself. Can you smell it?
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Yeah, you just raised your hand! I thought you said you were educated or something like that?
 
Grace T. said:
Then you have a counting problem. It's not the masks helping then but the shutdown of that stuff. Those don't count as masks unless you can do them with masks.

With respect to the factories, if you make workers work, they are going to socialize. They aren't robots. Don't you remember Tom Cruise's rant against his crew?

But again, you don't care about the actual real world because you are just preaching. You just want everyone to be virtuous, not who they really are (which would be policy)
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Why do you assume socialize = indoors?

You live in socal. You claim to have spent the last 11 months never meeting anyone indoors. But your examples are indoors: dinner parties and movies.

Shouldn't your socialization examples be the things you say you've been doing? Beach, bocce, surfing, hoops, volleyball, tennis, flower gardens, and so on. All the fun things from the big room with the blue ceiling.
 
espola said:
This one pretty much sums up the anti-mask theories.

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Hard to see who the bigger idiots are. The theories of the antimaskers, or maybe the people insisting everyone needs to wear masks outdoors even if riding a bike alone.
dad4 said:
Why do you assume socialize = indoors?

You live in socal. You claim to have spent the last 11 months never meeting anyone indoors. But your examples are indoors: dinner parties and movies.

Shouldn't your socialization examples be the things you say you've been doing? Beach, bocce, surfing, hoops, volleyball, tennis, flower gardens, and so on. All the fun things from the big room with the blue ceiling.
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because I accept people for what they are. I know they aren’t me (that did a better job with the indoor thing than even you because I’m scary disciplined...my father would throw fits if we were 5 minutes late to any function and would leave my mother if she wasn’t ready for a function when she said she would be). I’m not preaching to them that they should be angels. I’m analyzing policy impact based on the fact they are humans not robots.
 
Grace T. said:
Hard to see who the bigger idiots are. The theories of the antimaskers, or maybe the people insisting everyone needs to wear masks outdoors even if riding a bike alone.

because I accept people for what they are. I know they aren’t me (that did a better job with the indoor thing than even you because I’m scary disciplined...my father would throw fits if we were 5 minutes late to any function and would leave my mother if she wasn’t ready for a function when she said she would be). I’m not preaching to them that they should be angels. I’m analyzing policy impact based on the fact they are humans not robots.
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Carbon monoxide, 5G towers, muzzle, you're going to hell, all a hoax, want a piece of me, fuck you, etc opposed to "Want a free mask?"
 
Desert Hound said:
N95s are designed for short periods of time. They are not designed to be worn for hours at a time.
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"A key consideration for safe extended use is that the respirator must maintain its fit and function. Workers in other industries routinely use N95 respirators for several hours uninterrupted. Experience in these settings indicates that respirators can function within their design specifications for 8 hours of continuous or intermittent use. "

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This document recommends practices for extended use and limited reuse of NIOSH-certified N95 filtering facepiece respirators (commonly called “N95 respirators”).
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
 
Desert Hound said:
N95s are designed for short periods of time. They are not designed to be worn for hours at a time.
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Back when you were busy defending your right to go out for beer and pizza, medical staff in AZ were wearing them for 8 hour shifts, trying to help all the people who got infected.
 
dad4 said:
Back when you were busy defending your right to go out for beer and pizza, medical staff in AZ were wearing them for 8 hour shifts, trying to help all the people who got infected.
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espola said:
"A key consideration for safe extended use is that the respirator must maintain its fit and function. Workers in other industries routinely use N95 respirators for several hours uninterrupted. Experience in these settings indicates that respirators can function within their design specifications for 8 hours of continuous or intermittent use. "

This Page is No Longer Available

This document recommends practices for extended use and limited reuse of NIOSH-certified N95 filtering facepiece respirators (commonly called “N95 respirators”).
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
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You 2 aren’t very good at reading your own documents. The document assumes a shortage and is debating extended use v reuse. It even talks about the risks in each case since it’s not the ideal. And while you can do it it doesn’t mean it’s comfortable doing it particularly for the lay person. Remember there was that d congressman who used one comically during the trump impeachment hearings.
 
Grace T. said:
You 2 aren’t very good at reading your own documents. The document assumes a shortage and is debating extended use v reuse. It even talks about the risks in each case since it’s not the ideal. And while you can do it it doesn’t mean it’s comfortable doing it particularly for the lay person. Remember there was that d congressman who used one comically during the trump impeachment hearings.
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Btw most lay workers have lunch and breaks which defies one of the assumptions in the document since even medical interns must eat
 
Grace T. said:
You 2 aren’t very good at reading your own documents. The document assumes a shortage and is debating extended use v reuse. It even talks about the risks in each case since it’s not the ideal. And while you can do it it doesn’t mean it’s comfortable doing it particularly for the lay person. Remember there was that d congressman who used one comically during the trump impeachment hearings.
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The document is a direct contradiction to the previous statement.
 
The CDC says the general public should not wear the N95s. This is from Jan of this yr.

"There's been a lot of back and forth throughout the pandemic with doctors recommending wearing N95 masks, but CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky is recommending the general public not to wear them.

"They're very hard to breathe in when you wear them properly," Walensky said. "They're very hard to tolerate when you wear them for long periods of time."

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"Dr. Walensky, as well as Dr. Anthony Fauci, are still saying people should wear a mask, but say the general public doesn't need to wear the N95 ones because they're uncomfortable and hard to breathe in."
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"I have spent a reasonable amount of time in an N95 mask. They're hard to tolerate all day every day,"

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky doesn't recommend general public wear N95 masks | 6abc.com

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espola said:
"A key consideration for safe extended use is that the respirator must maintain its fit and function. Workers in other industries routinely use N95 respirators for several hours uninterrupted. Experience in these settings indicates that respirators can function within their design specifications for 8 hours of continuous or intermittent use. "

This Page is No Longer Available

This document recommends practices for extended use and limited reuse of NIOSH-certified N95 filtering facepiece respirators (commonly called “N95 respirators”).
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
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What you miss is this.

They are not designed for long term use.

The CDC said you can wear them for up to 8 hours during the time period when there was a mask shortage.

So hey these aren't designed for that long...the CDC knowing MEDICAL staff had a shortage said go ahead.

Recently the head of the CDC said the public should not wear them for long periods of time. See above.

Grow up espola. Try to have an independent thought occasionally.
 
Desert Hound said:
You read and posted a recommendation during the fear portion of the pandemic for starters...and you fail to realize what they said was because there was a severe shortage of masks. So at that point and time said wear them all day (medical personnel).

So as usual you missed the forest for the trees
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You didn't show anything incorrect in the statement.
 
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