Survival rate is still over 99% right?
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Well there it is. "too late to control the variant". You are still clinging to the illusion of control. Again, only western places that have managed to control it are Australia and NZ....you want to control it a good start is getting the border under control....short of that anything else is futility....talk to me when that's fixed and maybe I'll be open to it but otherwise you are just trying to corral the horses with the barn gate open.
Border crossings? What fraction of US cases are directly connected to an illegal border crossing? I’d be amazed if it were as high as 1%. There just are not that many people crossing each day. It’s a few thousand on a bad day. Most of them, like most of us, do not have covid. Even if 1% of them have covid, that explains about 50 cases per day, out of 50,000.
To take your analogy, yes, the barn gate is open. And every day, a few horses wander in or out of the barn. How does that explain the half million palominos running around last month?
Domestic transmission is over 99% of cases. Can we talk about that first?
First, it was a yes or no question. So which is it?
In regards to Russian Roulette, why would I play...those odds are as good?
You are the one who made the seed argument. How bout stopping more seeds first?
you’re the one still under the illusion of control. The one thing all the states that even moderately controlled it (whether oz nz the prc or sk) is border controls to prevent new seeds from happening
Until that happens anything else to “control” things is a joke.
You mean, yell at our neighbors about seeds when our own yard is full of dandelions?
That usually goes over great.
How about we make a modest effort to work on our own problem, instead if reflexively blaming Mexico?
Not blaming m. And it’s not just mexico but Canada and the airlines too. Control without controlling the border is impossible. No one has done that anywhere in the world.You mean, yell at our neighbors about seeds when our own yard is full of dandelions?
That usually goes over great.
How about we make a modest effort to work on our own problem, instead if reflexively blaming Mexico?
It's interesting too cases are beginning to rise in some of the border counties along the southern border (though not enough yet to really call it out...mostly a few counties in Texas). Along the northern border, it's north dakota (but not south dakota), Montana, Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan, Idaho. Could be border related or could be related to latitude.
You’re choosing a bad data representation to hide things you don’t want to talk about. I don’t play that game.
If you want to talk risk, use IFR. How many deaths per infected person. Over the last year, it’s about 540,000 -640,000 deaths among 170M-200M cases. Around one death per 300 infections. Or one death per 500 people overall.
If you live in a normal suburb, that’s equivalent to one unnecessary death within a 3 block walk from your front door. So, one of your neighbors dies, ten of your neighbors have an unpleasant hospital stay, but everyone else is pretty much ok. Is it worth wearing masks to avoid that?
You could also think of it in terms of your kid’s elementary school. In a 500 child school, how many grandparents is it ok to lose to covid? If you have an IFR of 1% for people aged 60-69, that would be equivalent to about 10 kids losing a grandparent. Again, does this seem important enough to be worth masking up?
Border related? Along the north? Yes, Canada has a problem with covid cases coming over from the US. But the other direction is not a problem. Look at their case rates. We are a problem for them, but not the other way around.
And you might want to rethink your definition of border. Your cross at least two other states driving from Illinois to Canada. And almost no one lives in the part of Idaho that touches Canada. Maybe it affects the Caribou, but the people are hundreds of miles further south.
I'm open to the argument that it's latitude but the states on the northern border are the ones that are rising (it includes Maine and New York BTW). Considering Canada plateaued first (unless you are going to blame NY and MA), it's not true that the spillage is going the other way. Again, may not be bordered related but the northern border states are going in the wrong direction.
No...either the survival rate is above 99% or below 99%. It is really that simple.
Bad news out of Chile. Despite a very vigorous vaccine program (3rd per capita) cases are still rising. The herd immunity threshold for this thing must be very high (which begs the question of what happened in South Africa). Deaths though are on the floor. It's not like Chile hasn't been careful either having put a round of lockdowns in place in January
www.worldometers.info
www.wsj.com
www.bloomberg.com
Chile COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Chile Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
This Small Country Is Way Ahead in the Covid-19 Vaccine Race
Chile is on course to become the first developing country to achieve herd immunity after the South American country lined up shots early and faced little antivaccine sentiment.
www.wsj.com
Chile Locks Down 20% of Population to Combat Second Virus Wave
Chile’s government said it will more than double the number of municipalities under strict coronavirus lockdowns in coming days to combat a resurgence in the pandemic.
www.bloomberg.com
As far as I'm concerned Covid is effectively over. High school football and cheer on, league games on, schools reopening, indoor dining open, theaters etc open. Other than wearing a mask where required, not making out with strangers and not going to my janky barbershop, I've moved on from any restrictions.
NY never got to 70/80%, but they still opened up restaurants, bars, gyms, and stadiums. If course they deserve some blame.
You want to argue as though 500K people dead is the same as zero people dead, because both reflect a 99%+ survival rate.
I have no interest in having a discussion that misleading. If you are looking for someone to agree with you, try Hound.
No I just want you to answer a simple black and white question and stop trying to paint it gray. The reality is the answer is yes. The other reality is is yes 500,000 m people died. Stop trying to make something that it’s not.
Bruddah IZ
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Even the mask manufacturers say mask don’t work to mitigate your risk of contracting infectious disease. No wonder cases are high. Not nearly as high as the hysteria though.
Bruddah IZ
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Wear a mask. It’ll catch the bullet.