Bruddah IZ
DA
More transmissible? Yeah I get that. I prefer evolutionary process.
Bad News Thread
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It basically all comes down to the South Africa variant at this point......
The Dakotas infected over half their population. Yes. They were too loose.
It’s not like they were busy saving their economy. They wouldn’t even wear masks. They just didn’t want to have to have any rules.
LA would have been far above 45% if they had had Dakota policies. Look at the population density. ND+SD+MT+ID+WY+NB+KS have roughly the population of LA county, but spread over a half million square milles. LA is literally 100 times as dense.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
I agree with some of what you said, but these statements sound naive.
"We create and invite in more people than we are willing to build homes for."
"Right now, our policy is to pack them like sardines."
This implies that those living in these conditions would "spread out" if they could. I believe the reality is that they will live with as many as the house can handle so that as many as possible have the opportunity to make a better life. They very likely lived in such close quarters in their home country. Also, I can't imagine we'd have any more success enforcing occupancy limits - house-to-house - than we do keeping undocumented immigrants from making it into the country.
But yet, over time, pretty much everywhere in Europe is going to land within 10% of each other....the only determining factor maybe being how quickly the vaccine is rolled out in certain countries....some exceptions being (like in Oregon or Vermont in the US) maybe Portugal or Ireland (which still took a substantial hit, like Canada)....if they'd had the vaccine 3 months earlier Finland and Norway would have been in those exceptions too.
Where in LA county do you think there is space to build a million homes?
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Bruddah IZ
DA
So the bodies should be stacking up.
Less than 1% of America’s population lives in long-term-care facilities, but as of March 4, 2021, this tiny fraction of the country accounts for 34% of US COVID-19 deaths.
24% for California.
The Long-Term Care COVID Tracker
To date, the Long-Term Care COVID Tracker is the most comprehensive dataset about COVID-19 in US long-term care facilities.
covidtracking.com
Bruddah IZ
DA
What rubbish.
So DaD4 is saying lock all of these people in their homes packed in like sardines whilst also saying the fact that they are packed in like sardines is the reason Covid had such and impact on LA?
Yah...he’s starting to sound a bit like Newsome.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Sardines in a can? Try living on an Aircraft carrier for 6 months at a time. No such hysteria Dad4. Lots of historical evidence to refute the canned life style causes spread. Sardines are actually good for you. Especially the COSTCO pack in olive oil. Fry them up with some white onions, add shoyu and vinegar (also good for you) and serve on a bed of brown rice. Ono-licious. Stinks up the house though. But that's where my whole house COVID filtration system serves an unintended purpose.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Maybe Dad4 is Newsome?
The assumption as well is that the politicians and health experts are going to have the insight to time these lockdowns depending on the strength of variants (Dakota=should of lockdown like LA; LA shoulda locked down even tighter). 1. the experts themselves can't keep all the variants straight let alone what they do: UK/Austria variant, NY variant, California variant, South Africa variant, Brazil variant, Finland variant (note no China variant), 2. that the politicians can actually implement a policy that makes rationale sense in the pressure to do something instead of just use the hammer the entire time (like Los Angeles has done), and 3. that over time it's impossible to sustain (dad4 may be able to be holed up for 18 months, but for the average human being [let alone the 20 something unmarried male] isn't going to be able to keep it up over that time period). All western governments have done a horrible job managing COVID with very rare exceptions (and those exceptions coming at a tremendous cost and in part based on serendipity)...the idea that they are going to time policies based on the severity of variants is laughable.
Look up.
A million homes in 10 story buildings would take about 10,000 acres, plus another 30,000 acres for parks and schools. About 1.6% of the land area in LA county.
Are taller apartment buildings really worse than what you’ve been through the last year?
You obviously don’t live in LA. Where are you gonna find that 40,000 acres?
I’ve been in favor of opening outdoor spaces since last summer. Don’t blame that one on me.
Sorry if you don’t like it. But nimby housing policies helped drive the LA pandemic. Same for SJ and central valley, though in different ways.
Essential workers would go between a crowded work environment and a crowded home environment, spreading covid from one to the other.
Places like Texas and Florida got away with much worse covid policies because they don’t have the crowded home environment.
Depends where you build them and how much low rent housing is included. I'm sure if they made the neighborhood around you looking like the building boom in Glendale, you'd be screaming NIMBY.
It's doable. Look at what's happened to Glendale over the past 5 years. The issue though is that type of investment is geared towards YUMPs and not towards Latino migrants. The Latino migrants, even if they could afford those fancy new apartments, aren't going to shell out the money they are trying to save for it, and aren't going to agree to the strict per person housing occupancy limits that come in these new glitzy areas. And there's no profit for developers to build really cheap buildings for the Latino migrants. So the only thing you'd get is poor neighborhoods complaining they are being gentrified. The only way to go that many units is for the government to massively spend to build such low income housing but if it happens in his neighborhood even dad will be screaming NIMBY....and you can't really segregate now these days without running into woke issues. We tried the tenement low income housing, particularly on the east coast, a while back....it didn't work which is why mixed housing is all the rage...but then short of an area like Glendale which is attractive to both groups, it's really hard to pull off.
Previously you blamed it on people having house parties and not wearing masks....now it’s the age old housing policy that has been in existence for ages. But you refuse to blame those who made the policy closing outdoor spaces in favor of “stay at home”?
You creat policy based on environment. The housing situation was ignored in LA Co policy making so that’s on the policy makers!
As an aside, over $2billion was allocated several years ago to build low income housing. To date only about 10% of the housing has been built and the money is almost gone. In a recent audit the LA Co Controller discovered and called into question how it could cost over $700,000 PER 1000sqft apartment.
Same argument every city. “We are all built out. There is no more land.”
Same answer, every city. The land right there, under your feet.
If you change the zoning, it gets rebuilt. Have you ever seen a single story neighborhood that is zoned for 10 stories?
Or, you can have high rates of disease every time we have a new pandemic.
Sounds like it would have to be public housing project, because many of us likely couldn't afford an apartment or condo with a view in LA. Certainly not one for a whole family.
I'll pass on a public housing project because they've only created problems much worse than Covid and certainly don't resolve density issues. So yes it is much worse than what we've been through in the last year.
Public Housing Becomes the Latest Progressive Fantasy
A new generation of activists seeks to revive an old urban policy, despite its troubled history.
www.theatlantic.com
It's a long article but it provides interesting insight on where technocrats like dad 4 are coming from.....
www.tabletmag.com
The COVID Class War - Cause & Consequences
Discover the COVID class war between progressives and conservatives. Learn how lockdowns impact business owners and working professionals.
www.tabletmag.com