I was previously in the affordable housing business. I detailed in a previous post why it doesn't work in California. It would be easier to find a Unicorn than to build substantial affordable housing in California.
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Subsidized housing is just liberals buying indulgences. They pass laws that make it illegal to build homes, then spend billions of dollars on housing subsidies to make themselves feel better about forcing their neighbors into slums. The subsidies don’t work, but they do make it look like you care.
I’m not taking about subsidized housing. I’m talking about rezoning. It’s free, and it actually solves the problem.
And yes, you can rezone my neighborhood, too.
So packing thousands of people into a high-rise with minimal ways to get up and down without interacting with others is going to solve the problem? So why was there such a high vacancy rate in New York City during this whole pandemic? We can go back-and-forth all day we obviously have a very different opinion on housing and Covid policy. Which is fine.
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Fortunately in my neighborhood and a vast majority of LA County the water table doesn’t allow the support structure needed for many of the high-rise buildings. I guess it’s a benefit of living near the beach.
Hüsker Dü
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You can’t put the pieces together on your own? Tight quarters + essential workers + many service industry workers = ?
You sure about that? The water table in Chicago or Dubai is a feet feet down. Last I checked, they have a few tall buildings.
Yeah, but you can't do anything about the remaining factors. They are already baked into the cake. "Have a better housing policy" is not a support for NPIs for COVID.
Who said housing policy was an argument for NPI?
It only comes up because you keep using LA as an example of NPI failure. LA is an example of partial NPI success being drowned out by an even larger housing policy failure.
They know what we're all doing, 24/7.
That's what's so sad about your argument. Your idea of "success" is that 50% of LA came down with it, despite the strictist in the nation standard employed by Los Angeles, at a tremendous cost to children, small businesses, homelessness, crime and poverty. If this is success, wow!
The conclusion would be that given the tremendous cost, maybe Los Angeles shouldn't have done much of anything....how much worse could it get....Stockholm? New York City? The other conclusion from it would be maybe these NPIs are fruitless in large mega cities, which were doomed anyways, but maybe could have made a difference in places like the Dakotas...given Finland, Estonia, and Norway I doubt it, but maybe.
Bruddah IZ
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Ask New Yorkers.
Bruddah IZ
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Yeah. Let’s put millions more in 10 story buildings in earth quake prone Cali.
Bruddah IZ
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You poor fragile people.
If they had followed your advice, where would they have found staffing for the extra ICU beds you would need? Or do you advocate no NPI and no extra nurses?
NPI itself was successful. LA had a 45% infection rate when faced with a high R variant. The infection rate was considerably lower than it would have been without NPI. If LA had followed your advice and done no NPI, an 80% infection rate is not unlikely. (Many states reached 60% or so, despite having an easier variant and more diffuse population.)
NY is partly running that experiment for us, right now. They have open restaurants, the high R UK variant, and just announced they will open stadiums. We will see what their seroprevalence (natural + vaccine) they have at peak.
The millions are here right now. They cut your grass and fix your roof. They live in quake-unsafe soft first story apartment buildings with the bedrooms over the carport.
At least now we are talking cost and benefits. I don't happen to think the 80% rate is likely...it's not what happened in Madrid or Stockholm. It's just likely we would have reached the 50% sooner than we did. Whatever that difference is has to be weighed against the disastrous costs Los Angeles has taken on, including the harm to children.
And I'm not arguing for no NPIs. That's not even the Swedish approach. I think masks for indoor situations like grocery stores where people could be exposed for short periods of time are useful. I also think "flattening the curve" is a good idea when the hospital situation is under tremendous strain and near collapse, and that business closures should be reserved for these key time periods (not keeping them in place 18 months as you seem to want, where an exhausted population just gives up on them....again few 20 something unmarried males are going to go 18 months without a booty call but if you tell everyone hey for this month we need you to cooperate they might actually do it). LA did the opposite....it kept restrictions in place for a year.
Bruddah IZ
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How is rezoning free and for whom?
p.s. what we know from the Belgium situation is that people adapt naturally in times of high crisis without the government having to issue NPIs. They generally reduce mobility on their own. Mobility in Belgium (and the bend in the new infection curves) fell almost 2 weeks before the government issued a new round of lockdowns in the winter.
Bruddah IZ
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I have zeroscape. My roof is shake tin. So no, they don’t do either for me. And they don’t live in quake unsafe homes. California doesn’t allow it.
Be on the look out for "Murder Hornets" fellas. First we had the Rona, now we got Hornets that can sting through a bee suit and murder you, just like that. This is nuts!!!
Scientists in US, Canada gear up for battle against murder hornets
Scientists in the U.S. and Canada are opening new fronts in the war against so-called murder hornets as the giant insects begin establishing nests this spring.
"This is not a species we want to tolerate here in the United States," said Sven-Erik Spichiger of the Washington state Department of Agriculture, which eradicated a nest of the Asian giant hornets last year. "The Asian giant hornet is not supposed to be here."
"We may not get them all, but we will get as many as we can," he said of eradication efforts this year.
Paul van Westendorp of the British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Fisheries said the hornets pose threats to human life, to valuable bee populations needed to pollinate crops and to other insects.
"It’s an absolutely serious danger to our health and well-being," he said. "These are intimidating insects."
Scientists in US, Canada gear up for battle against murder hornets
Scientists in the U.S. and Canada are opening new fronts in the war against so-called murder hornets as the giant insects begin establishing nests this spring.
"This is not a species we want to tolerate here in the United States," said Sven-Erik Spichiger of the Washington state Department of Agriculture, which eradicated a nest of the Asian giant hornets last year. "The Asian giant hornet is not supposed to be here."
"We may not get them all, but we will get as many as we can," he said of eradication efforts this year.
Paul van Westendorp of the British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Fisheries said the hornets pose threats to human life, to valuable bee populations needed to pollinate crops and to other insects.
"It’s an absolutely serious danger to our health and well-being," he said. "These are intimidating insects."