That's not what you said. You babbled something about the N-word. Then again, who cares what you said? It's never accurate. All you do is lie.
F'd in the a? My goodness. You're really turned on by my posts, aren't you?
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F'd in the a? My goodness. You're really turned on by my posts, aren't you?
Don't have much going on, do you?
Cry to your mommy? *\_
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1) No I would not have been comfortable with a man giving me a massage. In previous cases I always opt for a woman. I just don't feel comfortable having a man touch and feel my ass.
2) If I knew the man was gay I would have been even more uncomfortable given the fact that the thought in my head of what he may be thinking of as he touches my buttocks,
would not make me feel relaxed while getting the massage. Does this mean I'm homophobic? I would say no because I would not be comfortable with a straight man massaging me anyways.3) Yes I would be comfortable with a woman as I always opt for a woman to give me a massage. In all my years that I've gotten massages, I've only had 1 issue with a woman who was trying to make an extra buck by providing extra services but I happily declined and never returned to that place again. Given this happened during Covid times, I get it times were tough and therapists were struggling for money so I did not report her to her boss.
4) I would not be comfortable with a MTF trying to massage me. It just feels uncomfortable. You want to call me transphobic for that, then that's fine but it's my prerogative and I'm the customer so feeling completely relaxed during a massage is what I aim for. I wouldn't want to get a massage while having worrying thoughts in my head. It's just a bad experience. As far as a ftm I would be more comfortable with that and probably would not mind knowing he was once a woman. Even though I would opt for a cis woman as my first choice. Given the fact that I'm the paying customer, I should have the right to chose who I want to get a massage from.
It's a little late for that... she passed from cancer in 2015.Cry to your mommy? *\_
... but you keep up your momentum with taking the moral "high" ground.
I like the game…demand I produce your quote, I produce your quote, it accurately sets out what you said, you run away from it, and then like a magician you do some magic hand waiving to avoid it. You got served. It’s there, in black and white, you bigot. Good day sir.
Nah just speculating on why the gentleman is so angry and protests so much? If not f’d in the a, then what is it? Cause some self hatred going there.
I wish all of us were better at limiting our disagreements. When we manage it, it makes for a more pleasant world.
( So why the hell am I here trolling? Good question. )
Oh you absolutely have a right to choose who you get to massage you. But it’s interesting you won’t let your daughter be touched except by a biological w and you won’t be touched yourself except by a biological woman (who could btw, be also gay and enjoying herself with your dd). What about your wife? In your rubric except for with gay men, no massage therapist could ever be a man. We all have our biases. Everyone is just a little bit Racist. But if you look you’ll see you do have some biases in play here. The next question to ask yourself is why and do you care given the answer?1) No I would not have been comfortable with a man giving me a massage. In previous cases I always opt for a woman. I just don't feel comfortable having a man touch and feel my ass.
2) If I knew the man was gay I would have been even more uncomfortable given the fact that the thought in my head of what he may be thinking of as he touches my buttocks,
3) Yes I would be comfortable with a woman as I always opt for a woman to give me a massage. In all my years that I've gotten massages, I've only had 1 issue with a woman who was trying to make an extra buck by providing extra services but I happily declined and never returned to that place again. Given this happened during Covid times, I get it times were tough and therapists were struggling for money so I did not report her to her boss.
4) I would not be comfortable with a MTF trying to massage me. It just feels uncomfortable. You want to call me transphobic for that, then that's fine but it's my prerogative and I'm the customer so feeling completely relaxed during a massage is what I aim for. I wouldn't want to get a massage while having worrying thoughts in my head. It's just a bad experience. As far as a ftm I would be more comfortable with that and probably would not mind knowing he was once a woman. Even though I would opt for a cis woman as my first choice. Given the fact that I'm the paying customer, I should have the right to chose who I want to get a massage from.
May I ask out of curiosity what made you think this was a Trans Massage Therapist? TMT is what my buddy calls they & them in the massage industry. It's big business these days. A lot of men like the look of a female but the body and strength like a mans.
No need to explain.
And like clockwork GraceT jumps in with hypotheticals and then wants you to explain your biases, after you already graciously explained your answers.
Me agreeing or disagreeing with anyone is really a terrible measure of the validity of an argument!
The best massage I ever got was from a gay man named Troy. This was early 2000s. I was very happy with my massage because Troy knew where all my tight spots were. He never once hit on me or asked me if I wanted an upgrade. Dude was not cheap but by far the best ever.
Grace, I appreciate your thoughts, and you're right, we all have our biases but I'll own mine without hesitation. But here’s where my philosophy comes in: I’m not trying to be transphobic or discriminatory, but when it comes to my 14-year-old daughter, I’m in full-on defense mode. As far as a biological gay woman goes, I’m fine with that as long as she’s professional and respectful. The moment there’s any inappropriate behavior, regardless of orientation, it becomes a problem, and I’ll deal with it like any protective parent would.
Now, when it comes to a man, or even an MTF, the answer is a firm "No" until my daughter is 18 and can make her own decisions. Why? Because I’m taking preventative measures. It’s not about demonizing men or trans women, it’s about reducing risks in situations that could lead to psychological harm or discomfort. Am I stereotyping here? Sure, but I don’t care. I’d rather err on the side of caution and keep potential dangers out of the equation. This isn't about worrying over someone’s private thoughts it's about preventing a situation that could damage my daughter, emotionally or mentally, should something go wrong.
It's a calculated decision, like crossing the street when I see a sketchy group heading my way. It’s not that I assume the worst in people, but my evolutionary instinct is to avoid unnecessary danger. I’d rather take a few extra steps to avoid a situation where my daughter could be vulnerable. Life doesn’t always give you second chances, and as her father, it’s my job to shield her from those kinds of risks. So yeah, I’ll take those odds, even if it means leaning into my protective instincts. It’s not about stereotypes for the sake of being judgmental, it’s about making sure my daughter’s well being comes first. That’s just where I stand, and I'm good with it.
If you are comfortable with that Crush then more power to you.
Troy came highly recommended. I prefer a woman, but my back was twisted in knots from all the stress of being a man with a death grip mortgage, two kids in sports and stay home wife that would spend all my money before I could get my hands on it. I was going through a hard time and Troy helped me a lot. I tried the walk on my back massage, and I was not a fan. To each his own massage bro. I like soft and the strong to the touch, not someone walking on my back like I'm hot rocks.If you are comfortable with that Crush then more power to you.
Oh I get your daughter. I’d probably have the same rule. Where I raise the question is with you being uncomfortable being touched by a man. Or what about your wife if she got a male massage and enjoyed it. Or is that the point you enjoy being touched by the woman, ok with your wife enjoying a man but don’t want your daughter since she’s too young
You make a fair point Grace... As for me being uncomfortable with a man giving me a massage, that’s just how I’m wired. It’s not some deep philosophical thing Grace... You see it’s more about what I’m used to so let’s be real, most massage therapists are women, and I’ve mostly been massaged by Asian women because they are amazing at what they do. The stats back me up... women make up the majority of massage therapists, so it’s just how things have played out. Nature has conditioned me to associate comfort with that experience, and I’m cool with it.
Now, when it comes to my wife? If she gets a massage from a man and enjoys it, I’ve got no problem with that. I’m not the jealous type Grace smh... I know her, I trust her, and her personality is rock solid. Plus, let’s face it, sometimes a good massage is just a good massage right?
But with my daughter? That’s where my philosophy kicks in. It’s about protecting what I value most my family
. The decisions I make are rooted in ensuring she feels secure and that I’m doing my job as a dad to protect her from situations that could cause harm or discomfort. So yeah, I’m sticking to my guns on that one because it gives me peace of mind knowing I’ve done my part as a protective father. We’re all creatures of habit and comfort zones Gracie, and I’m just rolling with mine.Well your position then is entirely consistent. Good for you! You came through the gauntlet and can be proud of your consistency and recognition of biases.You make a fair point Grace... As for me being uncomfortable with a man giving me a massage, that’s just how I’m wired. It’s not some deep philosophical thing Grace... You see it’s more about what I’m used to so let’s be real, most massage therapists are women, and I’ve mostly been massaged by Asian women because they are amazing at what they do. The stats back me up... women make up the majority of massage therapists, so it’s just how things have played out. Nature has conditioned me to associate comfort with that experience, and I’m cool with it.
Now, when it comes to my wife? If she gets a massage from a man and enjoys it, I’ve got no problem with that. I’m not the jealous type Grace smh... I know her, I trust her, and her personality is rock solid. Plus, let’s face it, sometimes a good massage is just a good massage right?
But with my daughter? That’s where my philosophy kicks in. It’s about protecting what I value most my family
Women make up the major of massage therapists because a) women are concerned with men touching them, and b) men tend to have a phobia about other men touching them. That said, it's mostly a cultural thing...men actually give the better deep issue massages (they are just more forceful), for that reason I tend to avoid women physical therapists, and in northern Europe the male therapist numbers are higher because the Europeans get this and have a tendency to want same sex masseuers.
So I've passed the @Grace T. test ?
Grace, I’m glad you see the consistency here! It’s not often a man can come out of a conversation about massages without feeling like he’s tiptoeing through a minefield, so I'll take that win
You’re absolutely right about the cultural aspect. Men have this unspoken “rule” about not being touched by other men unless it’s a bro hug or a tackle in football. It’s like some primal instinct just hardwired into us. And, yeah, maybe guys in Europe have figured it out, but over here, I’m sticking with what’s worked: women, especially Asian women, who’ve mastered the art of making knots disappear like magic. Sure, men might be able to knead out muscles with brute strength, but I’m not signing up for an arm wrestling match; I just want to relax!
Now, I’m all for giving credit where it’s due... guys might give killer deep tissue massages, but hey, I’ve got my comfort zone, and if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it right? Plus, the moment I lie down on that table, I’m in my happy place, and why mess with a good thing? It’s like my internal defense mechanism saying, “You’re good, no need for extra force!”
So, while Northern Europeans might have no issues with same-sex massages, I’m good right here, with the familiar, the consistent, and the tried and true. I may have my biases, but at least I own them with a smile, right?
It's what I do...it's what I trained in....it's how Socrates advocated that we get to truth, or veritas (isn't that cute)....it's how you test ethical and legal principles....it's how philosophy and ethics gets done....and it's how we grow as human beings, by questioning ourselves.
Stepped in it again didn't you..why is it so hard for you to leave other family members out of the discussion?Cry to your mommy? *\_
Save the long-winded rebuttal counselor. I withdraw my question.