5 biological men roster wins Australian women's soccer league title & also undefeated this season

Slobodan said:
No... I don't sit here foaming at the mouth because you or someone else might write something I don't like. I don't put words into other people's mouths like you and your buddy here, either.

Mother's take their boys into the women's bathroom when they're little. Fathers take their daughter in the men's room when they're little. That's how it works. Some fathers, like me, would allow my daughter to go into the women's restroom alone, when they were ready, and stood outside to make sure there were no issues. If this guy walks into the bathroom after she does, he's immediately coming out one way or the other. Period.

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What about if you have a boy age 8 who tests out going to the bathroom by himself and some guy in butt chaps, no shirt and a cowboy hat comes in after him? Same reaction? What if this guy in your photo goes into the men's room and your 8 year is old is in there by himself?

Again, the better reaction is you leave, not them (same with the game, bench your player and forfeit, taking the consequences as necessary). And the simple societal solution is one which the Newsom bill put in a more positive direction. Single stall ballrooms should be gender neutral. Businesses, venues, government buildings, parks, schools and transportation hubs should offer more single stall options (both for the sake of the trans parents, and parents worried about small children)...new builds should require them (same as we did with handicapped stalls). If you have those options, a penis/no penis rule would be ideal, but you don't get to decide to violate existing law by going all vigilante on the trans person.
 
Grace T. said:
Guess I owe you a bit of an apology there. I didn't know your underlying assumption was that MTF athletes would be welcomed on the boys team. I think that's fundamentally the difference in our positions. I'm not so naive to think so. There have been documented cases (in the study I posted) where nonbinaries and trans individuals have been harassed in their respective biological bathroom. My kid got into a fistfight when he was called "a sissy" by his roommates at an international for wanting to go to bed at a decent hour before his trial...if he were to be wearing a dress in the men's room I don't see those teammates being welcoming I see black and hispanic kids being called the n word at the fields. And then there are people like Slobi using slurs, threatening violence and threatening to target trans kids, so forgive me, but no I don't think that will go well. It won't work unless you are prepared to restrict free speech by silencing people like Slobi through punishments for what they say (and I'm not).
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Oh no! Dissention in the ranks! Are you mad his mental illness doesn't compare to yours?
 
Grace T. said:
What about if you have a boy age 8 who tests out going to the bathroom by himself and some guy in butt chaps, no shirt and a cowboy hat comes in after him? Same reaction? What if this guy in your photo goes into the men's room and your 8 year is old is in there by himself?

Again, the better reaction is you leave, not them (same with the game, bench your player and forfeit, taking the consequences as necessary). And the simple societal solution is one which the Newsom bill put in a more positive direction. Single stall ballrooms should be gender neutral. Businesses, venues, government buildings, parks, schools and transportation hubs should offer more single stall options (both for the sake of the trans parents, and parents worried about small children)...new builds should require them (same as we did with handicapped stalls). If you have those options, a penis/no penis rule would be ideal, but you don't get to decide to violate existing law by going all vigilante on the trans person.
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Depends. Does my son dig music from The Village People?
 
Grace T. said:
Again, he's been your ally you dolt. You just took it too far for him, and in the process made my case for why his idea wasn't a good one.
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No he hasn't. And I don't base my opinions on someone that agrees with me because I need the affirmation. He agrees with me a small percentage of the time.

You thought he was your ally... now you're upset he isn't. That said, you both like to make shit up that people never wrote.
 
Slobodan said:
Good retort. No facts... just a good ol' "I know we are but what are you?"
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Not exactly. Pointing to your own words, agreeing with you that they represent your thinking well, and making it abundantly clear to all readers of any persuasion seems to work just fine. You're putting your own facts into evidence with every post.
 
Grace T. said:
Well then isn't the relevant question if your daughter is into k.d.lang?
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There's music from K.D. Lang that I like. She's a talented lesbian that uses the women's bathroom. She hasn't been relevant in 2 decades but why would I have a problem with her?
 
Slobodan said:
No he hasn't. And I don't base my opinions on someone that agrees with me because I need the affirmation. He agrees with me a small percentage of the time.

You thought he was your ally... now you're upset he isn't. That said, you both like to make shit up that people never wrote.
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You've now sunk into even greater delusions than any trans folks you ever accused of being delusional. I don't want to speak for him but I think he'd concur that Dad4 and I dislike each other tremendously. We've had very little good to say about each other. We are polar opposites philosophically on a wide variety of issues. The only love fest we've ever had was anti-PRC. "allies", hardly. You just stepped over the mark of human decency that even he couldn't, to his credit, stomach it.
 
Grace T. said:
You've now sunk into even greater delusions than any trans folks you ever accused of being delusional. I don't want to speak for him but I think he'd concur that Dad4 and I dislike each other tremendously. We've had very little good to say about each other. We are polar opposites philosophically on a wide variety of issues. The only love fest we've ever had was anti-PRC. "allies", hardly. You just stepped over the mark of human decency that even he couldn't, to his credit, stomach it.
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You just referred to him in the 2nd and 3rd person. Do you want ME to find you a therapist?
 
Slobodan said:
Depends. Does my son dig music from The Village People?
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The men's bathroom can be very dangerous. True story from my days living down in San Clemente. I went into the Men's bathroom down by the pier and a young man was showing his fully loaded pistol and polishing the top of it, like he was showing off a trophy. Total young John the Pervert looking for older sugar daddy. It was disturbing and pissed me off. He was the only one in there and was hoping I would like what he had. I held my pee and walked right out and went over to see David Hasselhoff to let him know that someone was exposing his pistol, fully loaded on his watch as Lifeguard. Lifeguard was like, "not again." He called the Sherrif who happened to be parked up the street. Hasselhoff did not want to deal with this repeat offender on his own, so he waited for the cops. They went in and he came out with cuffs. No hassle from young John. He was showing his monster to the first cop when he went in alone and then called for backup. Grace, Charleton, Random Soccer Fan and Surf Futbol want us to look for a lifeguard or call the cops as our daughter is facing potential danger. The girl's bathroom has to be a gun free zone.
 
Slobodan said:
I can envision you and Grace on a date. The only question is, can you bore her to death before she talks you to death?
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No, and I'd win that....I see we have moved onto the "women should be seen and not heard" portion of the agenda.

Slobodan said:
You just referred to him in the 2nd and 3rd person. Do you want ME to find you a therapist?
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Physician heal thyself first! Again, I'm not the one with bigotry and anger issues.
 
crush said:
The men's bathroom can be very dangerous. True story from my days living down in San Clemente. I went into the Men's bathroom down by the pier and a young man was showing his fully loaded pistol and polishing the top of it, like he was showing off a trophy. Total young John the Pervert looking for older sugar daddy. It was disturbing and pissed me off. He was the only one in there and was hoping I would like what he had. I held my pee and walked right out and went over to see David Hasselhoff to let him know that someone was exposing his pistol, fully loaded on his watch as Lifeguard. Lifeguard was like, "not again." He called the Sherrif who happened to be parked up the street. Hasselhoff did not want to deal with this repeat offender on his own, so he waited for the cops. They went in and he came out with cuffs. No hassle from young John. He was showing his monster to the cop went he went in and then called for backup. Grace, Charleton, Random Soccer Fan and Surf Futbol want us to look for a lifeguard or call the cops as our daughter is facing potential danger. The girl's bathroom has to be a gun free zone.
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If you read what I wrote, crush, I actually agree. The ideal rule would be penis or no penis (MTF can use women's after surgery, FTM can't use women's after surgery). But it's more complicated than that:
1. You don't get to ignore what the law is currently and use violence to take it into your own hands (small pun).
2. I also care about the 8 year old boy in the bathroom with John the Pervert, or the FTM, MTF or nonbinary getting harassed in their respective biological bathroom.
3. So that assumes we make an effort to make more single stalls available through mandates. It helps not only the people undergoing issues, but also parents to make sure their kids are safe. We did this for mobility impaired people and it's a reasonable accommodation.
4. I wouldn't put out the bathroom police TSA South Park style to check everyone's junk going into the bathroom. However, if a crime is committed, it would be an accelerator to the offense and a means for police to remove bad actors.
 
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