Yeah... we don't bathe communally anymore and I'm not counting 3rd world countries where they still wear fig leaves because I don't think they endorse competitive club sports there.
5 biological men roster wins Australian women's soccer league title & also undefeated this season
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The "hate" comes from waking up one morning and deciding all women should no longer have rights in sports and locker rooms, etc. It's not about bashing someone that feels inside out in the body they were born with, but rather the constant narrative that common sense can't be common anymore. That it's racist, sexist, misogynistic, etc. Where was Megan Rapinoe saying males should be allowed to play on female teams when she was an active player competing for a spot? 5 MTF trans players is a deliberate move, in this example, and that's flat out wrong.
When we start telling people that OBGYNs can't determine what a baby is when it's first born, we've officially lost our minds. 5-years from now we'll look back on this period of history and punch ourselves in the face.
We have grown males saying they a woman and they can go and compete in the women's games. They take showers with our daughters just like Pedo Joe did with his dd and they think it's ok. This same group of people think it's ok for a male rapist who identifies as a women rapist to be locked up in the girl's prison, with the other female prisoners and guards. This is insane that were even having to debate this, but we live among clowns who want a crazy circus of freaks.
Most of the coed teams/leagues I've seen do have a quota or 2. For example, you can only have so many ___, or have to have a minimum of ___, on the field at all times.
About 5 years ago I hit a Nike outlet store and bought half a dozen pairs of Nike flip flops because they hold up well. Every chance I get to call them "thongs", I do it, just to piss my kids off.
It's a Red Card in life as well
I have old friend that had a son he named Max at birth. Dad and Mom saw the plumbing and that's why they named him Max. Later, when Max was older, he told his old man he wants to be a girl, always felt like a girl and his new name is Maxine. Maxine is now 17 and is starting to become a woman in many ways. Maxine is still packing a pisitol but that comes off next I guess, based on what my pal told me. The question really is does Maxine have the right to plays sports and take showers with females with or without her penis?
o.k. so why isn't that the solution for all sports? Why have a separate women's category AT ALL?? Why not just coed all sports and quota the testosterone impaired??? AYSO for everyone, men and women play in the World Cup together?????? (yeah, I know, I'm being rhetorical....)
Gives a new meaning to the term "CCW".
The gravitas of this conversation from both sides has been great reading. I do have an anecdote to share. This summer my youngest DD played against a women's USL team. It was a high scoring affair. I could not figure out why one player on the other team (who scored all 7 goals against our 5) could easily bypass the defense and score at times so easily. At the end of the game the girls were sharing that the player who scored was a FTM. The girls including my daughter were bothered by the distinct advantage this individual had over them.
I've lobbied for co-ed locker rooms since middle school but nobody takes me seriously. Clearly I'm in the wrong generation or an innovator.
As for your quota idea, I'd respectfully submit something more in the way of "nut free zone for those with allergies" or the like.
Places I've personally bathed coed:
- France
- Russia
- Japan
- Korea
- Poland
I understand that it's common in Scandinavia as well.
All of these have robust soccer federations.
It seems one is proposing an objective standard and the other a more subjective standard. Maybe "fair" as Veritas and I use it is the wrong term, because having an objective standard may not be fair, but it does bring "clarity" to participation in sports (assuming we use something like a chromosome benchmark). If you can't compete because of this standard, its not that the sport or the culture that is unfair, it's that life/biology is not fair. You can't design human programs around rare exceptions. It's impractical, ineffective and will only cause confusion. I have to say GraceT, you lose me at Aquinas, Rawlsian, Aristotle and post-Modernists. I'm just too simple-minded and not learned, I guess.
The Algerian boxer and the 5 Australian transgenders situation have nothing in common with each other. At this point we have zero evidence that the Algerian boxer has XY chromosome, that was only an allegation by a corrupt Russian organization.
Also participation in sports and the use of bathrooms have zero in common and we shouldn't conflate the two. I've mentioned this before, but one of my son's best friends is transgender teen boy. You would never know he was born a girl in a million years. If he used the girls bathroom people would freak that there was a boy in the girls bathroom. Not all transgenders look like Rachel Levine and Caitlyn Jenner.
Meet Valentina Petrillo: The Italian sprinter set to become the first Paralympic transgender athlete.
She’s lived most of her life as a man and only came out as transgender to her wife - with whom she has a son - in 2017 before beginning hormone therapy two years later. I have a penis for all to see but I am woman, hear me roar!!! Thoughts?
Good thing she doesn't pole vault, because she would be at a disadvantage.
Maybe so and maybe it's a function of more awareness, but we've certainly lost the concept from my childhood of "stick and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me". It's now "words are violence", which is a thinly veiled attempt to stifle free speech.
With all due respect, this may be a "you" thing more than a "we" thing with bathing... and when are you traveling again?
"robust" is a relative term.
A little research, which I quickly deleted in my history file, indicates he's 'visually impaired"... thus qualifying for the Paralympics.
Ironic... I'm visually impaired now as well.
