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Andy Dukes said:
I trust her much more than the other parties candidate. I seem to be inline with many people.

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Wouldn't be the first time that people aligned themselves with a liar......from the same house, with the same last name, working for the same foundation. Should I go on?
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Please show me where I thought Comey is a liar.
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You stated he made a criminal case but of course he said exactly the opposite thing, so I made a leap of logic. If you don't consider him a liar he must at least not be considered by you "reasonable folk" based on your post.

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Bruddah IZ said:
Reasonable folks know that Comey laid out a case for Criminal charges.
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Reasonable being the key word.
Like minded people see no wrong in the history of lies this woman has told...
From her being named for Sir Edmund Hillary, to coming under fire when she landed in Bosnia to being dead broke when she left the White House. It goes on and on. She set up a sever so she could hide the truth about her corruption. Like minded people agree with her lying about Benghazi "what difference does it make"?
 
Andy Dukes said:
You stated he made a criminal case but of course he said exactly the opposite thing, so I made a leap of logic. If you don't consider him a liar he must at least not be considered by you "reasonable folk" based on your post.
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"There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation" Comey

Obviously you believe this woman reasonable....
Speaks volumes.
 
Lion Eyes said:
"There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation" Comey

Obviously you believe this woman reasonable....
Speaks volumes.
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Reasonable is not the word I would use.

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What if I wrote this:

"For me as a white man, it's really nice to just go out with other white men sometimes," ... "I have to do so much less translation. When you're white around black people, you have to explain every little thing, even with people who are perfectly nice and well-meaning."
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Why would he be either? I'm glad he did not lie here:

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He testified in a House subcommittee there was no chargeable criminal activity. You stated
"Reasonable folks know that Comey laid out a case for Criminal charges"

Did he lie or was he being unreasonable? I can't think of another option except you are disavowing your own post.
 
Andy Dukes said:
He testified in a House subcommittee there was no chargeable criminal activity. You stated
"Reasonable folks know that Comey laid out a case for Criminal charges"

Did he lie or was he being unreasonable? I can't think of another option except you are disavowing your own post.
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Why would I disavow Comey's own words. There is only one liar in the video. What Comey said is, "To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Why would I disavow Comey's own words. There is only one liar in the video. What Comey said is, "To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."
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But I was discussing your words not his. You made a statement about criminality. Comey stated “our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”. That seems to be in direct opposition to your post that "Reasonable folks know that Comey laid out a case for Criminal charges"

How can both be true?

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Andy Dukes said:
But I was discussing your words not his. You made a statement about criminality. Comey stated “our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”. That seems to be in direct opposition to your post that "Reasonable folks know that Comey laid out a case for Criminal charges"

How can both be true?

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My words, "Reasonable folks know that Comey laid out a case for Criminal charges" are based on Comey's words: "To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."
 
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Andy Dukes said:
But I was discussing your words not his. You made a statement about criminality. Comey stated “our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”. That seems to be in direct opposition to your post that "Reasonable folks know that Comey laid out a case for Criminal charges"

How can both be true?

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If the Department of Justice charges Clinton for committing a felony, they would be charging her for violating 18 U.S.C. 793(f), which states:

Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed . . . Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(emphasis added)

In criminal law, unless strict liability applies, a statute can require four distinct mental states (“mens rea”) to commit a crime: (i) purpose, (ii) knowledge, (iii) recklessness, and (iv) criminal/gross negligence.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
My words, "Reasonable folks know that Comey laid out a case for Criminal charges" are based on Comey's words: "To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."
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Administrative sanctions are not the same as criminal activity. You stated "Comey laid a case for criminal charges",
 
Bruddah IZ said:
If the Department of Justice charges Clinton for committing a felony, they would be charging her for violating 18 U.S.C. 793(f), which states:

Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed . . . Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(emphasis added)

In criminal law, unless strict liability applies, a statute can require four distinct mental states (“mens rea”) to commit a crime: (i) purpose, (ii) knowledge, (iii) recklessness, and (iv) criminal/gross negligence.
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This looks like you are seeing your error and are disavowing your previous post.

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