Ponderable
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You probably also feel the nuclear deal with Iran was a mistake, despite most every nuclear proliferation expert agreeing it was the right move...
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I don't know much about that one, care to summarize (minimize the spin please)?
On a side note, North Korea is about the worst place I've ever seen, a truly nightmarish place to live:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/secret-state-of-north-korea/
Spin?
Feeling a bit dizzy are we?
Watch, read & learn...
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...E47288CC7EE09EC8DC43E4728&fsscr=0&FORM=VDMCNL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreed_Framework
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To answer your question about how did it go?
"Although the agreement had largely broken down, North Korea did not restart work on the two production size nuclear power plants that were frozen under the agreement. These plants could potentially have produced enough weapons-grade plutonium to produce several nuclear weapons per year. The Agreed Framework was successful in freezing North Korean plutonium production in Yongbyon plutonium complex for eight years From 1994 to December 2002.[43]
Discussions are taking place through the Six-party talks about a replacement agreement, reaching a preliminary accord on September 19, 2005. The accord makes no mention of the U.S. contention that North Korea has a secret, underground enriched uranium program. However the new accord would require North Korea to dismantle all nuclear facilities, not just specific plants as in the Agreed Framework.[44] This has been followed up by the February 13, 2007 agreement which has largely adopted this September 19 statement. Its implementation has been successful so far, with only a slight delay being recorded due to an issue of funds being unfrozen by the US actually reaching North Korea.
On May 31, 2006, KEDO decided to terminate the LWR construction project.[45]"
Doesn't sound so bad? Has something gone way South recently and if so, that doesn't seem to take away from the results of the 1992 agreement?
They have nuclear weapons and they had them before Bill left office.... doesn't sound so bad?
Well you certainly are entitled to your opinion.
You maybe the only one that thinks a nuclear armed North Korea not a bad deal....
The Washington Post
Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2015.
North Korea has conducted nuclear tests before, but the nuclear test the country carried out Wednesday could be dramatically different. According to Pyongyang, the device tested was a hydrogen bomb – a type of device that produces a considerably more powerful blast than the previous devices tested. South Korean officials and a number of nuclear experts have cast doubt on the claim, pointing out that the yield recorded in the test seemed to be similar to the previous tests conducted by North Korea.
Despite the doubts, the unexpected nuclear test is yet another reminder of how the U.S.-led nuclear deal with North Korea, brokered under President Bill Clinton in 1994, failed. Isolated, embattled North Korea is the only country to test nuclear weapons in almost 20 years, and it shows no signs of slowing down. Given the controversy surrounding a recent nuclear agreement reached with Iran, it's worth considering exactly how the deal to stop its nuclear ambitions fell apart.
read more:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...w-death-of-the-nuclear-deal-with-north-korea/
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There you go with the opinion thing again. Can you refute what I copied and pasted, it was from the link you gave me, you know that right?
...and no, I don't think N. Korea having nukes is good, but could we have stopped that? So far, these deals seem to be about slowing, limiting, making more transparent, not "keeping them from ever getting a nuke"...
What a wanker...
North Korea claims it’s now able to nuke the US mainland
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...e-us-mainland/ar-BBw3UB9?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
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They also consider Dennis Rodman a diplomat...
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http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-in-iran-unique-system-allows-payments-for-kidney-donors-2016-8
Iran’s kidney program stands apart from other organ donation systems around the world by openly allowing payments, typically of several thousand dollars. It has helped effectively eliminate the country’s kidney transplant waiting list since 1999, the government says, in contrast to Western nations like the United States, where tens of thousands hope for an organ and thousands die waiting each year.
Bottom Line: Realistically, we’ll continue to have serious and ongoing shortages of bone marrow and kidneys as long as we outlaw and criminalize the only solution that is guaranteed to successfully eliminate those shortages: donor compensation. As strange as it sounds, capitalist, free-market America should look for guidance on this issue from one of the most anti-market, repressed economies in the world – Iran (it ranked 171 out of 178 countries in the world for Economic Freedom in 2016 by the Heritage Foundation). Surprisingly, Iran is the one country in the world that has effectively used basic free market principles to eliminate its kidney shortage by legalizing compensation for kidney donors. The US could easily eliminate its bone marrow and kidney shortages by following Iran’s success with principles usually associated much more with America that the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Iran’s kidney program stands apart from other organ donation systems around the world by openly allowing payments, typically of several thousand dollars. It has helped effectively eliminate the country’s kidney transplant waiting list since 1999, the government says, in contrast to Western nations like the United States, where tens of thousands hope for an organ and thousands die waiting each year.
Bottom Line: Realistically, we’ll continue to have serious and ongoing shortages of bone marrow and kidneys as long as we outlaw and criminalize the only solution that is guaranteed to successfully eliminate those shortages: donor compensation. As strange as it sounds, capitalist, free-market America should look for guidance on this issue from one of the most anti-market, repressed economies in the world – Iran (it ranked 171 out of 178 countries in the world for Economic Freedom in 2016 by the Heritage Foundation). Surprisingly, Iran is the one country in the world that has effectively used basic free market principles to eliminate its kidney shortage by legalizing compensation for kidney donors. The US could easily eliminate its bone marrow and kidney shortages by following Iran’s success with principles usually associated much more with America that the Islamic Republic of Iran.
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http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
"Hillary Clinton's role in a 40-year-old rape case became the focal point of a viral meme in 2016, but the claims made about it were mostly inaccurate."
"Hillary Clinton's role in a 40-year-old rape case became the focal point of a viral meme in 2016, but the claims made about it were mostly inaccurate."
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… is from page 166 of Stephen Marglin’s 2008 book, The Dismal Science; this book is deeply flawed, in many ways, but Marglin gets this Hayekian point right and he explains it well (the words that Marglin italicizes are a quotation from F.A. Hayek’s 1945 article “The Use of Knowledge in Society“; the first set of bracketed words are supplied by Marglin; the other sets are supplied by me; link added):
For if knowledge is algorithmic in character, there is no reason for knowledge to become available only if the agent is an active participant in implementing his (or her) knowledge. It is when the knowledge in question has an irreducibly experimental component that use can be made [of it] only if the decisions depending on it are left to him or are made with his active cooperation. In today’s jargon, agents have private information, or, rather, hyperprivate information: the knowledge is so private that the knower herself becomes knowledgeable only when translating the knowledge into action.
If people really could formulate all their knowledge in algorithmic terms and calculate as [modern mainstream] economic theory assumes, there would be no need for real-life markets. [Oskar] Lange‘s pretend markets would do just fine. The virtue of the real market is precisely that it calls forth knowledge that people cannot explain, justify, or defend intellectually, knowledge that economic agents themselves may not fully understand. It calls forth this knowledge by the incentives it it provides for action and the ruthlessness with which it weeds out error.
For if knowledge is algorithmic in character, there is no reason for knowledge to become available only if the agent is an active participant in implementing his (or her) knowledge. It is when the knowledge in question has an irreducibly experimental component that use can be made [of it] only if the decisions depending on it are left to him or are made with his active cooperation. In today’s jargon, agents have private information, or, rather, hyperprivate information: the knowledge is so private that the knower herself becomes knowledgeable only when translating the knowledge into action.
If people really could formulate all their knowledge in algorithmic terms and calculate as [modern mainstream] economic theory assumes, there would be no need for real-life markets. [Oskar] Lange‘s pretend markets would do just fine. The virtue of the real market is precisely that it calls forth knowledge that people cannot explain, justify, or defend intellectually, knowledge that economic agents themselves may not fully understand. It calls forth this knowledge by the incentives it it provides for action and the ruthlessness with which it weeds out error.
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