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No, I only see MLSN doing biobanding to play down and take a 12 to 18 month advantage. I never see anyone play up. My son does play up in ECNL.
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The change elimnates the Trapped Player scenario; that is why they are rolling the ignorant DA era rule back to pre DA rules.
There's 4 scenarios that aren't addressed if the cutoff is Aug 1st.
1. A school or district who's cutoff is earlier than Aug 1st. There's several that are July 1st as an example. In this case a July birthday player would be forced to play up a grade in school.
2. A school or districts cutoff date is Sept 1st. In this case an August birthday would be a year up in school but able to play a year down in club soccer. Most players in this situation would choose to play up with their grade in school in club.
3. Deliberately held back players. Parents hold their kid back for a variety of reasons. They then want everyone else to accommodate their decision allowing a kid that's a year older than their classmates to participate in things like sports.
4. Homeschoolers. These parents like to choose whichever group and level their kid associates with.
The ones that cause issues are #3 and #4. Both groups aren't accustomed to following rules. #3 is difficult because many private schools encourage parents to hold back their kids. Parents with money and power don't like not being able to participate in club soccer the way they want to.
whatithink
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There's one scenario, its a date range and your kid plays in the appropriate one based on their birth date.
whatithink
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I've seen lots of MLSN & ECNLg kids playing up. That's what the ballers do.
I agree, but with all the BY to SY talk the crazies are coming out to try and push their agendas.
As an example CAZZZ brought up biobanding so they can try to justify letting players play down.
whatithink
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Bio banding exists now, as do the crazies. I don't doubt that many people are trying to game the system and many will try if/when they change the date ranges. That said, those "many" are likely a very tiny %, so meh!
Scrub It Kook
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Oh boy, just saw this ad....here come the crazies.....12th grader up to age 20 for a soccer college ID camp? Maybe I'm reading it wrong.
Biobanding is a gray area that challenges the fairness of the game. As I said before, if ECNL Q1/Q2 parents are so mad because Q3/Q4 players will join next season, and they are only 5/6 months older, think about an MLSN biobanding player that can be 18 months older than your kid. Apply biobanding needs comprehensive considerations. Winning a game at any cost is not a good reason to utilize biobanding.
whatithink
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I agree. If you have a kid in MLSN who needs to play down to stand out or compete, then that kid probably shouldn't be in MLSN. If you have a kid in MLSN and he isn't playing up, then he's not a baller. Likewise, if all you are about is winning, then MLSN is probably not the right program for you.
Honestly this whole thing is f@cking lame. Just leave it alone. But they cant because like I have said all along and I think people are finally catching on (other than parents who can have their kids play down a year) its all for these leagues agendas to make more money. Its has ZERO to do with the kids and US soccer development. ZERO!!!!
There have been numerous examples of top soccer players in the world who were almost cut given late in CY and under developed compared to peers. This is why biobanding was created and it wasn't here in the US. The logic is sound if your top priority is developing talent over the long run (which it is in europe because your end goal is profiting off talent). In the US a big problem we have is the top priority is always winning at every age which is what you are advocating for.
PurpleCrush
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It’s no different than most of the decisions made by these governing bodies to be honest.
whatithink
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How will they make more money? I don't suppose that it will be due to higher numbers playing ... so your point would be to that they shouldn't make a change that (they believe) will lead to higher playing numbers because ... can you fill in the last piece for me please?
whatithink
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Yeah, I know. At the very highest level it makes sense (Gareth Bale is a good example). You've already made your selections and picked up the most talented players and now you want to develop that talent. For the rest, not so much imv.
Scrub It Kook
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All the public reasons for the potential change seem secondary or peripheral and I don't think US Soccer is being fully transparent (big surprise, i know).
In any case, US Soccer has given everyone the chance to voice their opinion: https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration
I am surprised this hasn't been posted yet or maybe I missed it.
whatithink
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It was posted on the forum, probably this thread. It was also mentioned that its doubtful if someone will go through who knows how many individual comments and then do what? If they wanted input, it would be in the form of a short survey that they can control content on and then use standard tools to analyze the results. The lack of that speaks volumes.
Why do you think they are making the change if "All the public reasons for the potential change seem secondary or peripheral"?
Scrub It Kook
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TBH, i have no idea. I am not certain which way I even lean on it and my kid is a late Q4 birthdate with the double-whammy of being a late developer. Yes, playing with the year youngers will provide some opportunity to stand out, but breaking up the team over it seems like a lot of change. Gelling with a new team and parents isn't always a smooth transition.
I do think Skye Eddy's take on the FIFA mandatory reporting is an interesting factor I never considered.
Scrub It Kook
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PS - I agree on the survey. The narrow window also tells you how much they value the input.
whatithink
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TBH I'm not sure how the FIFA reporting is a mess. All registration is done electronically, so rolling that info up to a parent org and then transmitting to FIFA (a required set of base info) seems pretty simple to me from a technology perspective!
The blog post is good though - https://www.soccerparenting.com/blog/school-year-age-grouping-us-soccer/