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[TeamDadJokes]

But I thought the issue of not having winter games was a high school trapped player issue. And MLSN doesn’t allow you to play HS anyways.

Are there other leagues that have winter games that a trapped player would be missing (if they were not trapped) when their teammates are playing HS soccer?

It’s in context to one of the posters here who says their son isn’t affected by being a trapped player and they’re 16 years now and a dual sport high school athlete and I asked him what league his kid played on in 8th and 9th grade and they didn’t respond. So I’m calling out that if their son plays in MLSN they don’t have the same trapped player issues as other leagues have and so his experience isn’t the same as everyone else.

This is only addressing the middle school to high school transition and not all the other issues trapped players faced as discussed in here that they haven’t experienced when they hit their senior year with hopes of playing in college and not on the pro pathway.

 

[Yak]

College coaches and recruiters don't walk around at showcases watching certain age group games and shopping for players.

This absolutely happens and is how many players get recruited.

 

[Carlsbad7]

This absolutely happens and is how many players get recruited.

Like I said, it might happen in a limited fashion but the same players are going to get pinged by everyone. Eventually coaches are going to need to get serious and determine who will actually play for their team.

 

[CAZZZ]

I heard that ECNL will allow clubs to do the SY within the club in the upcoming Spring season. I wonder when the deadline to register to be qualified as an existing player is.

 

[Soccermomma24]

I heard that ECNL will allow clubs to do the SY within the club in the upcoming Spring season. I wonder when the deadline to register to be qualified as an existing player is.

The logistics of allowing clubs to switch age groups mid season logistically doesn’t make sense. In a lot of cases, there aren’t available roster spots for trapped players without displacing a current player, trapped or not. But if ecnl allows some clubs to make the change in the spring, it’s in the best interest of all clubs to make the change.

 

[KingMI]

Having kids on the older and younger end. The younger end is the bigger change since lots of kids play up whole birth years. This change would seem to eliminate that. I can't see many 2015s playing upto 14/13 SY for example.

 

[Bells]

Having kids on the older and younger end. The younger end is the bigger change since lots of kids play up whole birth years. This change would seem to eliminate that. I can't see many 2015s playing upto 14/13 SY for example.

I guess. But how is that any different than a late 14 playing a whole year up in the 13/14…but unable to currently play up with 2013s.

 

[TeamDadJokes]

I guess. But how is that any different than a late 14 playing a whole year up in the 13/14…but unable to currently play up with 2013s.

You have it confused, the late 14 would play with the 15s.

 

[Zeke]

Having kids on the older and younger end. The younger end is the bigger change since lots of kids play up whole birth years. This change would seem to eliminate that. I can't see many 2015s playing upto 14/13 SY for example.

Each level is still exactly 12 months, and playing up works the same.

Under BY, a 2015 who plays up would join the 2014 team.

Under SY, a 2014/2015 who plays up a year would join the 2013/1014 team. A 2015/2016 who plays up would joing the 2014/2015 team.

He/she would be playing up by the exact same amount as a 2015 playing up onto a 2014 team under the current rules.

 

[KingMI]

Each level is still exactly 12 months, and playing up works the same.

Under BY, a 2015 who plays up would join the 2014 team.

Under SY, a 2014/2015 who plays up a year would join the 2013/1014 team. A 2015/2016 who plays up would joing the 2014/2015 team.

He/she would be playing up by the exact same amount as a 2015 playing up onto a 2014 team under the current rules.

Currently they don't play with any 15s so playing up with the older 14s would put the player with 13/14s. Assuming a player is a top player of the age group they play up with. Not sure most coaches/parents consider playing up, playing with any players your own birth year. That's the bragging part I hear the most. My kid plays up meaning not playing with any players with the same birth year as their child.

I don't care if my kids play up personally the clubs push it more to be honest. In my opinion it's better to play at the same age and go with the boys.

 

[Tvhuff33]

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration

 

[Soccermomma24]

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration

This form is an exercise to make their customers feel like their voice was heard. There are no questions, just an open space for comments. No one is reading thousands of comments before Nov 22.

 

[Bells]

You have it confused, the late 14 would play with the 15s.

Yes.. would be 14/15s..my point was playing up 13/14s would be the same situation described.

People seem to get hung up on the birth year..as if being a December 2014 makes you a year older than someone born in January 2015.

 

[TeamDadJokes]

Yes.. would be 14/15s..my point was playing up 13/14s would be the same situation described.

People seem to get hung up on the birth year..as if being a December 2014 makes you a year older than someone born in January 2015.

It’s not though, kids born January in the current system are the oldest versus kids born in Dec are the youngest. When we move to SY those kids will be middle of the pack in the date range being used. Both kids are in the same grade but one plays with olders and the other with a grade younger. So I think the frustration of that paradigm shift is setting in for parents because it’s what they’ve mostly known and especially at the younger ages has given their kids an advantage.

An example is there is an ECNL club in NorCal that will not take any kids on their top teams born after March in the current system because in the younger ages these kids are typically more physically mature (even though it’s only by a few months, you can talk to pediatricians about how only a few months makes a big developmental difference). Now for these last several years those kids got the advantage of playing with the top players against top teams with top coaches.

That now shifts to a different birth range that was established for decades before this recent experiment. Parents of 00’s and olders already witnessed this and the split caused grades to be mixed whereas that wasn’t a problem before.

What needs to be allowed under the school year model is for a development waiver where kids who are born in June and July can play down a year to match their physical maturity counterparts if they are underdeveloped according to the growth chart. This was a waiver that used to exist in addition to a waiver that used to be required to play up a year.

This would close the gap for what would be best for the development of the next generation.

 

[j2five]

Not sure most coaches/parents consider playing up, playing with any players your own birth year. That's the bragging part I hear the most. My kid plays up meaning not playing with any players with the same birth year as their child.

That's not true in travel baseball. Travel baseball (at least where we are) is SY based with Aug 1 cutoff (there's more to it but baseball is a mess).

So if you're an October kid and you decide to play with players born July and earlier of the same year, you're seen as playing up. Simple as that. People don't care about mix of birth year of players on the team. It's as simple as...you're playing in the age group that is older than the age group you're supposed to play in = playing up.

 

[RandomSoccerFan]

What needs to be allowed under the school year model is for a development waiver where kids who are born in June and July can play down a year to match their physical maturity counterparts if they are underdeveloped according to the growth chart. This was a waiver that used to exist in addition to a waiver that used to be required to play up a year.

This would close the gap for what would be best for the development of the next generation.

And that is exactly what people like @Carlsbad7 say would be abused by parents & clubs to allow little johnny to play whatever bracket the parents are willing to pay for. Use the birth certificate. If you are x age, you are eligible for this team. While we would like everyone to play "fair", whatever that means, the biobanding failure even for $$$$ MLS N clubs shows that it doesn't work in the US.

 

[watfly]

And that is exactly what people like @Carlsbad7 say would be abused by parents & clubs to allow little johnny to play whatever bracket the parents are willing to pay for. Use the birth certificate. If you are x age, you are eligible for this team. While we would like everyone to play "fair", whatever that means, the biobanding failure even for $$$$ MLS N clubs shows that it doesn't work in the US.

Bio banding is just a distraction and coverup of the actual problem of poor player identification.

 

[Carlsbad7]

And that is exactly what people like @Carlsbad7 say would be abused by parents & clubs to allow little johnny to play whatever bracket the parents are willing to pay for. Use the birth certificate. If you are x age, you are eligible for this team. While we would like everyone to play "fair", whatever that means, the biobanding failure even for $$$$ MLS N clubs shows that it doesn't work in the US.

As you identified this is exactly what I said would happen. GY parents are pushing SY parents the same way SY parents are pushing against BY parents.

 

[RandomSoccerFan]

Of course it is. Parents are silly. Though they all think they are the ones being rational. It's the human condition.

 

[Bells]

It’s not though, kids born January in the current system are the oldest versus kids born in Dec are the youngest. When we move to SY those kids will be middle of the pack in the date range being used. Both kids are in the same grade but one plays with olders and the other with a grade younger. So I think the frustration of that paradigm shift is setting in for parents because it’s what they’ve mostly known and especially at the younger ages has given their kids an advantage.

An example is there is an ECNL club in NorCal that will not take any kids on their top teams born after March in the current system because in the younger ages these kids are typically more physically mature (even though it’s only by a few months, you can talk to pediatricians about how only a few months makes a big developmental difference). Now for these last several years those kids got the advantage of playing with the top players against top teams with top coaches.

That now shifts to a different birth range that was established for decades before this recent experiment. Parents of 00’s and olders already witnessed this and the split caused grades to be mixed whereas that wasn’t a problem before.

What needs to be allowed under the school year model is for a development waiver where kids who are born in June and July can play down a year to match their physical maturity counterparts if they are underdeveloped according to the growth chart. This was a waiver that used to exist in addition to a waiver that used to be required to play up a year.

This would close the gap for what would be best for the development of the next generation.

That should exist now too...but it doesn't. So it probably won't. (they have it MLS Next though)

I don't see how parents of an early birthday kid can complain...their kids had reaped an advantage for years. It just puts them in the same spot the August-December birthdays have been the whole time.