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PurpleCrush said:
Internal poll for SOCAL came back in favor of 78% to remain on birth year for 25/26 season and SOCAL is being told that its more likely this happens for the 26/27 season.

But we'll see what happens.
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I will just say this is absolutely the least logical approach so of course SOCAL would do it. It fits with a bunch of other illogical approaches they take :/

Lets put a bunch of 7, 8, 9 years who are starting club for their first year in a grouping we know will change next year and cause unnecessary disruption for them. All because of stupid early December younger tryouts that cause unnecessary psychological stress on kids who get cut and still have to keep playing with their team in state cup and tournaments. Sad to see.

Either change to SY or stay permanently with GY. This delay a year is completely stupid.
 
Derek1800 said:
I will just say this is absolutely the least logical approach so of course SOCAL would do it. It fits with a bunch of other illogical approaches they take :/

Lets put a bunch of 7, 8, 9 years who are starting club for their first year in a grouping we know will change next year and cause unnecessary disruption for them. All because of stupid early December younger tryouts that cause unnecessary psychological stress on kids who get cut and still have to keep playing with their team in state cup and tournaments. Sad to see.

Either change to SY or stay permanently with GY. This delay a year is completely stupid.
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GY is stupid and ridiculous.

SY is annoying but not the end of the world.
 
TeamDadJokes said:
You’re confusing fitness which is something they should be doing year round regardless of season to game experience which is what lacks when girls are playing high school and the rest aren’t.
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No, I'm not. 8th graders and HS kids who aren't playing for their school can use this as an offseason and do a lot of heavier strength/conditioning training that's not appropriate during the season. Nobody has given a good reason why the non-HS playing kids can't train together and why trapped 8th graders can't train with the year below them. There's no reason they can't scrimmage in training to stay sharp.
 
Offside no S said:
Sure, and that happens now - good youngers can play up. But this flippant and general "players can just play up" attitude is insane because kids don't make that choice. The clubs are in charge and tell kids where they're being offered a space.
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Whose attitude are you (mis)quoting?
 
Offside no S said:
No, I'm not. 8th graders and HS kids who aren't playing for their school can use this as an offseason and do a lot of heavier strength/conditioning training that's not appropriate during the season. Nobody has given a good reason why the non-HS playing kids can't train together and why trapped 8th graders can't train with the year below them. There's no reason they can't scrimmage in training to stay sharp.
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and they do
 
Offside no S said:
No, I'm not. 8th graders and HS kids who aren't playing for their school can use this as an offseason and do a lot of heavier strength/conditioning training that's not appropriate during the season. Nobody has given a good reason why the non-HS playing kids can't train together and why trapped 8th graders can't train with the year below them. There's no reason they can't scrimmage in training to stay sharp.
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You’re right but that just doesn’t happen… most coaches at this age are with their high school teams they coach in the winter and the trapped players are an after thought
 
KingMI said:
Bio Banding left the door open to make teams better by playing down a 6 foot 2 14 year old to u13 to win games. Most clubs did right by the late developing kids. Some clubs use the Bio bands to make teams more competitive.
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No team is playing down a 6 foot 2 14 yo at U13 and saying they are bio-banding. They have to declare the bio-banded player, and there's zero chance an opposing coach signs off on that. TBH, you don't appear to know what bio-banding is, i.e. grouping athletes based on physical growth and maturation (e.g. height and strength), rather than chronological age.

FWIW, I have seen clubs play smaller players (who would qualify physically under bio-banding) down to make teams stronger.
 
Offside no S said:
Could someone please point out any MLS/ECNL teams that are comprised of kids from one school? The teams from our club are lucky if they have more than 2-3 kids from a single school.
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Thats the opposite of what was intended by the comment, i.e. for non "elite" level, it makes sense that they can group together. At the top level, it'll always be a mix.
 
whatithink said:
No team is playing down a 6 foot 2 14 yo at U13 and saying they are bio-banding. They have to declare the bio-banded player, and there's zero chance an opposing coach signs off on that. TBH, you don't appear to know what bio-banding is, i.e. grouping athletes based on physical growth and maturation (e.g. height and strength), rather than chronological age.

FWIW, I have seen clubs play smaller players (who would qualify physically under bio-banding) down to make teams stronger.
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From my understanding you can play any player down if they are Q4 regardless of size or ability. (Thats the loophole.)
All Q4 kids are not late developers. Some are the top of the food chain. Like I said before most clubs do the right thing for the kids. We all know some do not.
 
KingMI said:
From my understanding you can play any player down if they are Q4 regardless of size or ability. (Thats the loophole.)
All Q4 kids are not late developers. Some are the top of the food chain. Like I said before most clubs do the right thing for the kids. We all know some do not.
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I've never heard of that and never seen it applied (vs bio-banding), are you talking about every league or just some - any links/citations?
 
whatithink said:
I've never heard of that and never seen it applied (vs bio-banding), are you talking about every league or just some - any links/citations?
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Some coaches say that's pretty much the rule for bio-banding. Q4 kids have free rein. Since there was not really a player profile to say yes or no for bio-banding. This is the loophole we see exploited.

I know 5'3 mids that will kill teams with soccer IQ & field vision paying down a year in a bio-band situation. Size is a issue at times but not for certain positions.

(If the girls had this option to bio-band it would be good for the game.)
 
KingMI said:
Some coaches say that's pretty much the rule for bio-banding. Q4 kids have free rein. Since there was not really a player profile to say yes or no for bio-banding. This is the loophole we see exploited.

I know 5'3 mids that will kill teams with soccer IQ & field vision paying down a year in a bio-band situation. Size is a issue at times but not for certain positions.

(If the girls had this option to bio-band it would be good for the game.)
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There are literally bio-banding calculators. Its nothing to do with Q4, although Q4 kids are more likely to be less mature physically, as it can be applied to any kid in an age group for them to play up or down (you do know it goes up also).

I'm taking it from you reply that the assertion "you can play any player down if they are Q4 regardless of size or ability" has no credence.
 
KingMI said:
Some coaches say that's pretty much the rule for bio-banding. Q4 kids have free rein. Since there was not really a player profile to say yes or no for bio-banding. This is the loophole we see exploited.

I know 5'3 mids that will kill teams with soccer IQ & field vision paying down a year in a bio-band situation. Size is a issue at times but not for certain positions.

(If the girls had this option to bio-band it would be good for the game.)
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Biobanding is so easy to get abused. I think it should only apply to the MLS Academy teams, which those players are worth developing under protection. I believe Albion and Nomads don't do biobanding.

It is laughable that parents get so upset when ECNL changes to SY. Imagine in MLSN, you need to compete with a biobanding kid that is 18 months older.
 
CAZZZ said:
Biobanding is so easy to get abused. I think it should only apply to the MLS Academy teams, which those players are worth developing under protection. I believe Albion and Nomads don't do biobanding.
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For most players bio banding is a waste of time. In general MLS Next is looking for players that can play up.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
For most players bio banding is a waste of time. In general MLS Next is looking for players that can play up.
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I agree. That is why I say it is only worthwhile to do biobanking in a truly high-level team like MLS Academy. The player I saw has literally no hope to play in his own age group. If it is an ECNL league, he will be the bench on a RL team. By using 18 months advantage to play down, I will call it cheating.
 
whatithink said:
There are literally bio-banding calculators. Its nothing to do with Q4, although Q4 kids are more likely to be less mature physically, as it can be applied to any kid in an age group for them to play up or down (you do know it goes up also).

I'm taking it from you reply that the assertion "you can play any player down if they are Q4 regardless of size or ability" has no credence
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You think they use those calculators? We are talking about playing down and abusing the system. I don't make the rules it just is what it is.
What would you do if your whole business evolves around having to be competitive enough to not get relegated? If a club loses MLS Next it's tough on the club. Clubs should be trying to develop players but it's also a business. It's clear you have a different experience so that's fine you see it another way.
 
Derek1800 said:
I will just say this is absolutely the least logical approach so of course SOCAL would do it. It fits with a bunch of other illogical approaches they take :/

Lets put a bunch of 7, 8, 9 years who are starting club for their first year in a grouping we know will change next year and cause unnecessary disruption for them. All because of stupid early December younger tryouts that cause unnecessary psychological stress on kids who get cut and still have to keep playing with their team in state cup and tournaments. Sad to see.

Either change to SY or stay permanently with GY. This delay a year is completely stupid.
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I agree. The delay for a year is really short sighted. You’re going to have new teams formed and other teams attempt to recruit to improve their team, all with the understanding these teams may have a shelf life of one year?

You really might as well rip the band aid off and just figure it out now instead of being in this position next year. Delaying something that will
100% happen regardless is really dumb.
 
PurpleCrush said:
I agree. The delay for a year is really short sighted. You’re going to have new teams formed and other teams attempt to recruit to improve their team, all with the understanding these teams may have a shelf life of one year?

You really might as well rip the band aid off and just figure it out now instead of being in this position next year. Delaying something that will
100% happen regardless is really dumb.
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Do you know why they want to delay a year? I cannot make any sense of it.
 
KingMI said:
You think they use those calculators? We are talking about playing down and abusing the system. I don't make the rules it just is what it is.
What would you do if your whole business evolves around having to be competitive enough to not get relegated? If a club loses MLS Next it's tough on the club. Clubs should be trying to develop players but it's also a business. It's clear you have a different experience so that's fine you see it another way.
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I feel ashamed to win a game with a biobanding player in it while the other team does not have one. I think we are gaming the system. If ECNL Q1/Q2 parents are mad about the SY change because their kids will face 4/5 months older players, the MLSN player needs to deal with 18 months older biobanding player to take his position.
 
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