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[VanMan]

I guess i don't get it. I thought its switching to what year your graduating high school is the team you would play on? My kids only been in birth year based.

You're thinking about the way AAU runs basketball, which has never been the case for soccer. AAU is a cluster. Nothing like seeing 16 year olds playing as/with 8th graders. What a sh!t show.

Soccer was never officially grade year, the 7/1 cut off (the way it was before they moved to calendar year) was easier to approximate that way while keeping legitimate boundaries.

I wouldn’t be surprised if USYS and USSF want to go with a 2026 start and US Club and ECNL get after it and go 2025. Everything said in the podcast goes with what I’ve been told and that’s ECNL and US Club are ready to pull the trigger just waiting for everyone to get on board.

Summer tournaments would be a disaster in 2025. My guess is that they all go or none of them go.

Bear in mind that when they switched over last time, they announced it two years ahead and most clubs started new age group trainings, in addition to regular training, months ahead of their normal tryouts. If they make the call in November, that really doesn't allow any time to do that, except for the older groups.

Given that the seemingly universally acknowledged hurdle to this is the short term cluster, the smart play is to ease that pain if they go this route. What would they really lose by deferring implementation by a year?

 

[Carlsbad7]

You're thinking about the way AAU runs basketball, which has never been the case for soccer. AAU is a cluster. Nothing like seeing 16 year olds playing as/with 8th graders. What a sh!t show.

Soccer was never officially grade year, the 7/1 cut off (the way it was before they moved to calendar year) was easier to approximate that way while keeping legitimate boundaries.



Summer tournaments would be a disaster in 2025. My guess is that they all go or none of them go.

Bear in mind that when they switched over last time, they announced it two years ahead and most clubs started new age group trainings, in addition to regular training, months ahead of their normal tryouts. If they make the call in November, that really doesn't allow any time to do that, except for the older groups.

Given that the seemingly universally acknowledged hurdle to this is the short term cluster, the smart play is to ease that pain if they go this route. What would they really lose by deferring implementation by a year?

I think all the NCAA lawsuits are in the back of ECNL leaderships head. Which is why they're pushing for the change now.

If NCAA blows up in spectacular fashion there won't be any reason to switch to school grade groupings.

 

[SuperSoccerStar]

You're thinking about the way AAU runs basketball, which has never been the case for soccer. AAU is a cluster. Nothing like seeing 16 year olds playing as/with 8th graders. What a sh!t show.

Soccer was never officially grade year, the 7/1 cut off (the way it was before they moved to calendar year) was easier to approximate that way while keeping legitimate boundaries.

Thank you as that's exactly what I was thinking!

 

[Carlsbad7]

NCAA Shrinks in Importance as College Sports Turns Pro

The NCAA hopes that its settlement agreement will be approved, but it might not and even it is approved, it wouldn't stop other legal changes.

www.sportico.com

Here's a very good assessment of the current NCAA legal situation.

Reality is that in 2-3 years NCAA might not exist as we currently know it.

The change may or may not effect college recruiting.

 

[Zeke]

I guess i don't get it. I thought its switching to what year your graduating high school is the team you would play on? My kids only been in birth year based.

Kids born 8/1/2012 through 7/31/2013 count as one year. 8/1/2013 through 7/31/2014 make up the next year. And so on.

 

[crush]

NCAA Shrinks in Importance as College Sports Turns Pro

The NCAA hopes that its settlement agreement will be approved, but it might not and even it is approved, it wouldn't stop other legal changes.

www.sportico.com

Here's a very good assessment of the current NCAA legal situation.

Reality is that in 2-3 years NCAA might not exist as we currently know it.

The change may or may not effect college recruiting.

Spot on. I think Karma is biting some cheaters in soccer who used male and female athletes and treated many as slaves without pay while many risk their lives playing a sport for a "free" education. Free my ass. Based on what my buddy did when he played football at D1 in the 80s and the back pain he's in today was not worth it. He was a stud. Too many on here put all the value on a scholarships. Seriously, a scholarship gave many abusive coaches power and some could revoke the deal after year one. Horrible, horrible and horrible for everyone but those who got paid.

 

[Carlsbad7]

Spot on. I think Karma is biting some cheaters in soccer who used male and female athletes and treated many as slaves without pay while many risk their lives playing a sport for a "free" education. Free my ass. Based on what my buddy did when he played football at D1 in the 80s and the back pain he's in today was not worth it. He was a stud. Too many on here put all the value on a scholarships. Seriously, a scholarship gave many abusive coaches power and some could revoke the deal after year one. Horrible, horrible and horrible for everyone but those who got paid.

Change is coming for NCAA.

Although they'll likely go kicking and screaming into reality.

 

[VanMan]

I think all the NCAA lawsuits are in the back of ECNL leaderships head. Which is why they're pushing for the change now.

If NCAA blows up in spectacular fashion there won't be any reason to switch to school grade groupings.

In that universe, taken to its extreme, all college sports other than football and basketball will be dead anyway, so all the letter leagues that don't begin with MLS lose their purpose to exist.

So why go through the hassle?

 

[SuperSoccerStar]

so far all the changes in NCAA over the past couple years have only hurt our kids from being able to play college soccer. Nothing done has helped that specific sport in College. Unfortunately every ruling against NCAA is continuing to hurt our sport and our kids chances to play it. I'm not good in the math but with the recent roster limits how much harder did it just get to make a college team? With the transfer portal how much harder is it now for freshman to be able to make a team? Its getting ridiculous and getting worse every day definitely not better. The only benefit I could see so far is more soccer players getting scholarship money but until I see that is happening its all bullshit.

 

[crush]

so far all the changes in NCAA over the past couple years have only hurt our kids from being able to play college soccer. Nothing done has helped that specific sport in College. Unfortunately every ruling against NCAA is continuing to hurt our sport and our kids chances to play it. I'm not good in the math but with the recent roster limits how much harder did it just get to make a college team? With the transfer portal how much harder is it now for freshman to be able to make a team? Its getting ridiculous and getting worse every day definitely not better. The only benefit I could see so far is more soccer players getting scholarship money but until I see that is happening its all bullshit.

This kind of news can't be good for ECNL. Why would a middle-class family (if we have any left) invest over $100,000 for this uncertainty? The rich Elites will just have their own league called, ECNL. High School Soccer and AYSO might just do the trick for 90% o the kids that will NOT go on to play in college. Its why all these colleges had 38 players on the roster to make Susie happy and the parents. However, little Susie sat on the bench, got verbally abused and in some cases sexually abused by coach. The whole things need to be blown up and then a big do-er. I see college soccer games and seems like a lot of people go and support the team and I love that. GDA was a dumb league for many reasons. My #1 complaint was the money being exchange in the back room for certain players with rich parents.

 

[Veritas]

This kind of news can't be good for ECNL. Why would a middle-class family (if we have any left) invest over $100,000 for this uncertainty? The rich Elites will just have their own league called, ECNL. High School Soccer and AYSO might just do the trick for 90% o the kids that will NOT go on to play in college. Its why all these colleges had 38 players on the roster to make Susie happy and the parents. However, little Susie sat on the bench, got verbally abused and in some cases sexually abused by coach. The whole things need to be blown up and then a big do-er. I see college soccer games and seems like a lot of people go and support the team and I love that. GDA was a dumb league for many reasons. My #1 complaint was the money being exchange in the back room for certain players with rich parents.

I’ve seen this happen firsthand at a SoCal ECNL club for U12. Doc asked a player, who by the way always played the full game, “Are you tired? Do you need to come out?” That question said it all. Everyone suspected the parents were paying off Doc because they were wealthy, and the player wasn’t at all that great...just average at best. It was obvious she wasn’t the goat on the team so there was no reason for her to get full time play, that’s for sure! But he had to ask her at times if she needed a breather.

 

[Carlsbad7]

In that universe, taken to its extreme, all college sports other than football and basketball will be dead anyway, so all the letter leagues that don't begin with MLS lose their purpose to exist.

So why go through the hassle?

Exactly...

MLS Next for boys and NWSL Next for girls. Which is how soccer works everywhere else but America.

What will end up happening for college is the only "amateurism" rule they'll be able to enforce is 4 (5 if you redshirt) years of eligibility. Which means all the roster spots will get taken up by washed up 26+ year old former pros getting a free degree.

 

[SuperSoccerStar]

Exactly...

MLS Next for boys and NWSL Next for girls. Which is how soccer works everywhere else but America.

What will end up happening for college is the only "amateurism" rule they'll be able to enforce is 4 (5 if you redshirt) years of eligibility. Which means all the roster spots will get taken up by washed up 26+ year old former pros getting a free degree.

The MLS Next and NWSL Next thing needs to die. Its stupid. Please tell me how many girls and boys actually go to the pros and bypass college? What a handful over the past 5 years. Its ridiculous. They need to be able to go to college and play the sport they love and get an education and have their sport pay for it, graduate and get a good job and live their life. Some can continue to play in the pros or national level. That's how it should work. But yeah that's going away. If that normal pathway does go away which his what's starting to happen everyone is going to question why these kids and parents are evening spending the money and resources and time to even play high level soccer. If anyone is playing ECNL and in high school and tells you their kids grades are not suffering because of their sport then they are straight up lying to you. All that time could be spent on school work so if the only pathway to college is school work and not sport then the sport goes away which means the ECNL goes away for Girls for example. Or they still have it but the level of play is going to seriously drop.

 

[Carlsbad7]

The MLS Next and NWSL Next thing needs to die. Its stupid. Please tell me how many girls and boys actually go to the pros and bypass college? What a handful over the past 5 years. Its ridiculous. They need to be able to go to college and play the sport they love and get an education and have their sport pay for it, graduate and get a good job and live their life. Some can continue to play in the pros or national level. That's how it should work. But yeah that's going away. If that normal pathway does go away which his what's starting to happen everyone is going to question why these kids and parents are evening spending the money and resources and time to even play high level soccer. If anyone is playing ECNL and in high school and tells you their kids grades are not suffering because of their sport then they are straight up lying to you. All that time could be spent on school work so if the only pathway to college is school work and not sport then the sport goes away which means the ECNL goes away for Girls for example. Or they still have it but the level of play is going to seriously drop.

What's wrong with what you're describing?

Also it's not like college sports are going to go away. Baseball has Pro and Minor league levels of play and College baseball still exists.

The same type of thing i was describing could happen to baseball. If players wash out of Pro or Minor league teams they'd still be able to play in college.

 

[crush]

They need to be able to go to college and play the sport they love and get an education and have their sport pay for it, graduate and get a good job and live their life.

Just curious with this statement.

 

[SuperSoccerStar]

Just curious with this statement.

what I'm saying is all these NIL judgments and NCAA changes is making it harder and harder for kids to get into a college and play their sport. If they make it too hard to get into college by playing a sport/grades then kids will forget the sport part and just focus on grades which means all these ECNL leagues and all their money is going to go bye bye. Look at what happened this year with the roster rules. Poor kids that had verbal's years ago had them pulled and they had to start all over because when it came time to officially sign this year their roster spot was no more. Imagine if that was your kid.

 

[crush]

what I'm saying is all these NIL judgments and NCAA changes is making it harder and harder for kids to get into a college and play their sport. If they make it too hard to get into college by playing a sport/grades then kids will forget the sport part and just focus on grades which means all these ECNL leagues and all their money is going to go bye bye. Look at what happened this year with the roster rules. Poor kids that had verbal's years ago had them pulled and they had to start all over because when it came time to officially sign this year their roster spot was no more. Imagine if that was your kid.

Life isn't fair bro. It sounds harsh but that's what all the sages on here told me in 2018. I came on this forum in 2013, and it was fun and all we did was talk smack with each other about who was #1. My little goat got called up to the Soccer Motherships and I was not allowed to post on the forum from the Docs who ruled me because I was helping my kid with her dream. Back then most of us knew each other on here by the way. I obeyed the Docs out of respect to the rules. I did come and lurk and saw how jerks would talk about my kid and other kids for leaving one Mothership to another. These clowns called my dd club hopper. After experiencing the cheating, lying, sleeping around and backroom deals that went on, I got sick to my stomach. You see, back in 2017, the Girls Development Academy took over youth soccer in Socal and the Docs got control of not only the college access, but the Youth National Team (YNT) list and it was bad dude. Talk about "poor kids." My kid was told to her face that she would make the first ever U14 girls National Team based on her stats, accomplishments, leadership skills and winning. These Docs sold this to the top goats and their parents in 2016. What it really was, was just a list that your kid got on and that list went to every top D1 coach in America. There was no camp bro, no nothing just that your child made some list that turned out to be worth $250,000 for a 4-year deal. I knew at this time I got played and my daughters sacrifice of 18 months to win #10 Natty for the club went down the tubes. Total BS at the time. She was only 13 with big dreams but the dream snatchers took it away. Today, I am super grateful that happen to her, but it doesn't make it right. This was before the rule change and all a kid had to do to get a college deal was email the college coach and you got full ride in 6th, 7th and 8th grade. Deals were going on like hot cakes. Fast forward to 2021. My daughter had full ride offers, but it came with a catch. You must be fully jabbed or no entry. Total bullshit and pure evil.

 

[Carlsbad7]

what I'm saying is all these NIL judgments and NCAA changes is making it harder and harder for kids to get into a college and play their sport. If they make it too hard to get into college by playing a sport/grades then kids will forget the sport part and just focus on grades which means all these ECNL leagues and all their money is going to go bye bye. Look at what happened this year with the roster rules. Poor kids that had verbal's years ago had them pulled and they had to start all over because when it came time to officially sign this year their roster spot was no more. Imagine if that was your kid.

It sounds like you expect something in return for the $$$ spent on youth soccer.

That's not (or shouldn't be) how it works.

After a certain age merit not the amount of money spent should define who goes to the next level.

 

[crush]

It sounds like you expect something in return for the $$$ spent on youth soccer.

That's not (or shouldn't be) how it works.

After a certain age merit not the amount of money spent should define who goes to the next level.

However, it's exactly how it works. I lived it and that's why experience trumps everything and gives me the wisdom today. Yes, the Docs and Club coaches like Paco come on here and some lurk and post BS! For example, my dd at 13 was told by 5 of the top Socal Docs that she was one of the top forwards in Socal. She was 13 and I'm not saying that today, FYI. After her MVP performance in FWR and leading her team to the Natty, she was told by her coach and Doc that she would be making the list. Maybe they & them were lying to her to get her to kickass and give up her life for 18 months. I was told Coach got $10K and his Natty on his resume got him a new gig and directorship at another top club. My daughter got retaliation and kicked out of the GDA. I will get to the bottom of it someday, trust me. I already have emails and text and the information provided on the forum has also helped as well These people lie all day long So this is how it works for college soccer. If you got money and dd with excellent grades, high SAT and average soccer ability, your kid will be rated higher than my kid. I was poor and my dd only had honor roll status, but not Dean's list and no1500 SAT. That's how this game was played. No other sport for girls pulled this BS. TGIFF Carlsbad

Larzby, have anything else to add?

 

[Carlsbad7]

However, it's exactly how it works. I lived it and that's why experience trumps everything and gives me the wisdom today. Yes, the Docs and Club coaches like Paco come on here and some lurk and post BS! For example, my dd at 13 was told by 5 of the top Socal Docs that she was one of the top forwards in Socal. She was 13 and I'm not saying that today, FYI. After her MVP performance in FWR and leading her team to the Natty, she was told by her coach and Doc that she would be making the list. Maybe they & them were lying to her to get her to kickass and give up her life for 18 months. I was told Coach got $10K and his Natty on his resume got him a new gig and directorship at another top club. My daughter got retaliation and kicked out of the GDA. I will get to the bottom of it someday, trust me. I already have emails and text and the information provided on the forum has also helped as well These people lie all day long So this is how it works for college soccer. If you got money and dd with excellent grades, high SAT and average soccer ability, your kid will be rated higher than my kid. I was poor and my dd only had honor roll status, but not Dean's list and no1500 SAT. That's how this game was played. No other sport for girls pulled this BS. TGIFF Carlsbad

Larzby, have anything else to add?

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One of the coaches you love so much ;-) was benched by Blues and now coaches their second team. (AR)

Things are changing and they'll continue to change.

What you're describing still happens but it's not like it was 10 years ago. Hopefully in 10 years we can say the game has progressed an equal amount.

 

[crush]

One of the coaches you love so much ;-) was benched by Blues and now coaches their second team. (AR)

Things are changing and they'll continue to change.

What you're describing still happens but it's not like it was 10 years ago. Hopefully in 10 years we can say the game has progressed an equal amount.

Karma man. He lied, lied some more and used his power of influence to control parents, their kids and then find the one's that would pay and worship him. If you kissed his ring, paid for his privates and then kissed his ass, then you got what you wanted, access. Not cool and he will pay for his lies. Yes, it's still happening but less and less and soon it will be all be blown up, a short pause and then a new way to play, pay for play. Money will not be how one pays to play either. Merit, fairness, equality and truth will rule the game.