5 biological men roster wins Australian women's soccer league title & also undefeated this season

[LASTMAN14]

Admire Wittgenstein? I'm mocking you for bringing up philosophers instead of talking normally.

If you can talk normally, then answer the question: if we have women's leagues, then who should be eligible to participate in them?

No four paragraph word salads. Just tell us where you would put the line.

Watfly managed it in about four words: "Y = mens league.". Do you have a better definition, or would you rather discuss Heidegger?

And I thought we were talking about this Wittgenstein.

 

[Culer]

Admire Wittgenstein? I'm mocking you for bringing up philosophers instead of talking normally.

If you can talk normally, then answer the question: if we have women's leagues, then who should be eligible to participate in them?

No four paragraph word salads. Just tell us where you would put the line.

Watfly managed it in about four words: "Y = mens league.". Do you have a better definition, or would you rather discuss Heidegger?

This thread blew up... It used to be born with Penis=man, Vagina=woman (still in my world and what I teach my kids). In many world it still is but for some very very very unusual reason, it's become difficult to some to accetp that....

 

[Grace T.]

Admire Wittgenstein? I'm mocking you for bringing up philosophers instead of talking normally.

If you can talk normally, then answer the question: if we have women's leagues, then who should be eligible to participate in them?

No four paragraph word salads. Just tell us where you would put the line.

Watfly managed it in about four words: "Y = mens league.". Do you have a better definition, or would you rather discuss Heidegger?

I told you now several times. I told you too it’s not an easy answer because this is more complicated than you or watfly are prepared to acknowledge. I told you the starting point is whether the individual has gone through male puberty then posed 4 questions/conditions for the limited participation of others. I can’t help it if your mind is too small to comprehend it, but then youve always had pretensions towards intellect.

 

[Veritas]

Well, you finally said it. "There are clear physical performance ability differences between men and women". There are also clear performance ability differences between MTF on suppressants or post surgery (no testosterone), FTM (no male puberty), and intersexed in comparison to xy males. The reality is they cannot compete either with an xy male on active testosterone, testosterone being a performance enhancing drug. So why do xx women get special treatment from you but not anyone else? Why do xx women get the benefit of this luxury, all the while you (and allies) are complaining that it is also unfair for xx women to compete with a MTF who has gone through puberty?

There are only a handful of possible rationales. It's not clarity because clarity is best served by everyone competing in the same category...you are still saying xx women are entitled to special treatment through a league of their own. One possibility is we don't care about them. Another possibility is they aren't worthy of respect. A third possibility is they did it to themselves so they deserve it. Otherwise, I'm struggling to see why one group of people deserves special treatment, but another does not. (Fair warning I do see a fourth possibility, but it's a dangerous one because it opens the door to acknowledging women's sport as "lesser" and therefore things like equal access to scholarships goes out the window).

As to why we should care, it's easy, because we are all individuals, granted by God with individual rights, entitled to equal treatment before the law. Just because it's a hard case doesn't mean we get to ignore it. Our liberty is made up of the hard cases.

I think the answer is simple because 99% of women are real women and as a democracy we should cater to the majority and not 1 tranny with a mental issue like a Lia Thomas as an example. We need to see this issue from the perspective of nature from the perspective of democracy and from the perspective of biological women. Nothing against trannies but they are an anomaly and no way deserve to be put in the same level as real women especially when it comes to competitive sports. You want to play soccer go play soccer in another rec league but not in the top women’s league… if we start all of a sudden caring for the feelings of the 1% and shitting on the feelings of the 99% of the majority then we are definitely going backwards as a society. Women have been protected by men since day 1 and it should stay that way going forward. I take care of my wife and daughters and I’m responsible for their safety and well being as the man of the household. It’s been like that for thousands of years at least for real men who take care of their families.

 

[crush]

I think the answer is simple because 99% of women are real women and as a democracy we should cater to the majority and not 1 tranny with a mental issue like a Lia Thomas as an example. We need to see this issue from the perspective of nature from the perspective of democracy and from the perspective of biological women. Nothing against trannies but they are an anomaly and no way deserve to be put in the same level as real women especially when it comes to competitive sports. You want to play soccer go play soccer in another rec league but not in the top women’s league… if we start all of a sudden caring for the feelings of the 1% and shitting on the feelings of the 99% of the majority then we are definitely going backwards as a society. Women have been protected by men since day 1 and it should stay that way going forward. I take care of my wife and daughters and I’m responsible for their safety and well being as the man of the household. It’s been like that for thousands of years at least for real men who take care of their families. View attachment 22863

What if you had a son (I'm assuming you have no son because you said daughters) that told you he was now a female and wants to play soccer with girls and against girls. Would you support you boy and his desires?

 

[Veritas]

It depends. For 99% of the world, you take a peek down your shorts, and that’s what you are. This is how normal people think.

Grace wants to lawyer the hell out of everything. So she redefines basic words to make them unusable, or brings up obscure intersex conditions to muddy the conversation.

My defense against this lawyerly garbage is to offer a definition she cannot redefine. It helps keep the conversation on track.

Until she decides that Wittgenstein can shed some light on the topic.

@Grace T. is just playing devils advocate. But she will come to her senses lol.

What if you had a son (I'm assuming you have no son because you said daughters) that told you he was now a female and wants to play soccer with girls and against girls. Would you support you boy and his desires?

no I wouldn’t. I would tell him to come to his senses. In life decisions and acting on decisions have consequences. Just like breaking the law you may go to jail. I would tell him, if you want to chop your balls and penis off more power to you but accept the consequences that comes with that action. Take it like a man my boy and be ready to receive backlash from society if that’s the route you want to take in life. You will always be my son but you must realize that society may have a strong bias against you because you are going against nature. Same goes for pedos. Abuse a child and pay the consequences that society will see you different now and you might be ostracized.

 

[Veritas]

What if you had a son (I'm assuming you have no son because you said daughters) that told you he was now a female and wants to play soccer with girls and against girls. Would you support you boy and his desires?

Also think about it like this. Let’s say he transitions to a woman and likes heterosexual men. Do you think heterosexual men will see him as a woman ? not in 1000 years. Go against what nature dealt you and you will pay the consequences

 

[Grace T.]

@Grace T. is just playing devils advocate. But she will come to her senses lol.

no I wouldn’t. I would tell him to come to his senses. In life decisions and acting on decisions have consequences. Just like breaking the law you may go to jail. I would tell him, if you want to chop your balls and penis off more power to you but accept the consequences that comes with that action. Take it like a man my boy and be ready to receive backlash from society if that’s the route you want to take in life. You will always be my son but you must realize that society may have a strong bias against you because you are going against nature. Same goes for pedos. Abuse a child and pay the consequences that society will see you different now and you might be ostracized.

My position is down the middle. Plenty for neither side to like.

I think the answer is simple because 99% of women are real women and as a democracy we should cater to the majority and not 1 tranny with a mental issue like a Lia Thomas as an example. We need to see this issue from the perspective of nature from the perspective of democracy and from the perspective of biological women. Nothing against trannies but they are an anomaly and no way deserve to be put in the same level as real women especially when it comes to competitive sports. You want to play soccer go play soccer in another rec league but not in the top women’s league… if we start all of a sudden caring for the feelings of the 1% and shitting on the feelings of the 99% of the majority then we are definitely going backwards as a society. Women have been protected by men since day 1 and it should stay that way going forward. I take care of my wife and daughters and I’m responsible for their safety and well being as the man of the household. It’s been like that for thousands of years at least for real men who take care of their families. View attachment 22863

This brings out the classical liberal in me and is always a prescription for tyranny (no wonder dad 4 likes it). Democracy isn’t some magic word that makes things ok. Democracy can be used to impose tyranny by the majority against the minority (look at segregation). That’s why we look to the rights of the individual even if that individual is only 1%. That’s why we protect the 1% even if you don’t like them. Now you may think that 1% should not play with the genetic females because it tramples on the rights of said females. But then it is incumbent on you to provide them an alternative that allows them to participate with the same rights and benefits as the 99%. And, for reasons I’ve shown with watfly, that’s not “play with the men” or “just play coed” otherwise it would be fine for the girls to just “play with the men” or “just play coed”. It’s called equality before the law and that applies to everyone whether the 99% or the 1%. Otherwise you may as well move to Venezuela or Russia and enjoy your democracy without rights.

 

[crush]

@Grace T. is just playing devils advocate. But she will come to her senses lol.

no I wouldn’t. I would tell him to come to his senses. In life decisions and acting on decisions have consequences. Just like breaking the law you may go to jail. I would tell him, if you want to chop your balls and penis off more power to you but accept the consequences that comes with that action. Take it like a man my boy and be ready to receive backlash from society if that’s the route you want to take in life. You will always be my son but you must realize that society may have a strong bias against you because you are going against nature. Same goes for pedos. Abuse a child and pay the consequences that society will see you different now and you might be ostracized.

Let's say you had a son that you named Samuel from the character in the Bible. You called him Sam all his young life and then he says when he's 14, "Dad, I am now Samantha, and I am your daughter Papi. My teacher helped me transition. I love him so much for his counseling and guidance through this difficult journey. I am not your boy anymore pops. Sorry, from now on you will call me Samantha or else." That's basically what is going on. One dad went off on his new daughter and she called the cops and now the State is involved. Kid is 16 so almost adult. A teacher helped him become a girl without the father knowing about it.

 

[Veritas]

My position is down the middle. Plenty for neither side to like.



This brings out the classical liberal in me and is always a prescription for tyranny (no wonder dad 4 likes it). Democracy isn’t some magic word that makes things ok. Democracy can be used to impose tyranny by the majority against the minority (look at segregation). That’s why we look to the rights of the individual even if that individual is only 1%. That’s why we protect the 1% even if you don’t like them. Now you may think that 1% should not play with the genetic females because it tramples on the rights of said females. But then it is incumbent on you to provide them an alternative that allows them to participate with the same rights and benefits as the 99%. And, for reasons I’ve shown with watfly, that’s not “play with the men” or “just play coed” otherwise it would be fine for the girls to just “play with the men” or “just play coed”. It’s called equality before the law and that applies to everyone whether the 99% or the 1%. Otherwise you may as well move to Venezuela or Russia and enjoy your democracy without rights.

Then I go back to my argument to open up the third other gender category. It’s always been male and female for thousands of years. The neo liberals want to come and redefine reality to invent new sex genders outside of the natural binary gender that the Mammalian class naturally produces then recognize the other gender category in sports since trans numbers for this new generation are about 20% that equates to millions of trans now within that generation just in the USA alone. Why are they so quick to hide under the cisgender women umbrella? But they are so fast to identify as trans when its convenient

 

[Veritas]

Let's say you had a son that you named Samuel from the character in the Bible. You called him Sam all his young life and then he says when he's 14, "Dad, I am now Samantha, and I am your daughter Papi. My teacher helped me transition. I love him so much for his counseling and guidance through this difficult journey. I am not your boy anymore pops. Sorry, from now on you will call me Samantha or else." That's basically what is going on. One dad went off on his new daughter and she called the cops and now the State is involved. Kid is 16 so almost adult. A teacher helped him become a girl without the father knowing about it.

Shame on the public school system for illegal indoctrination of children. It’s always been parents in charge but the new neo liberal government thinks they can control our kids now… society has gone backwards. I would run as fast as you can from this backwards state if that happened to my family. Knock some sense back into that boy… Jesus Christ this reminds me of a tweet I saw from Musk sheesh

 

[dad4]

I told you now several times. I told you too it’s not an easy answer because this is more complicated than you or watfly are prepared to acknowledge. I told you the starting point is whether the individual has gone through male puberty then posed 4 questions/conditions for the limited participation of others. I can’t help it if your mind is too small to comprehend it, but then youve always had pretensions towards intellect.

You claim to "LOVE LOVE LOVE" definitions.

Yet you still find yourself completely incapable of defining the word "woman".

That's a bit of an existential crisis for you. Maybe rereading Descartes would help....

 

[Grace T.]

You claim to "LOVE LOVE LOVE" definitions.

Yet you still find yourself completely incapable of defining the word "woman".

That's a bit of an existential crisis for you. Maybe rereading Descartes would help....

It’s irrelevant for purposes of my test beyond “someone who has not gone through male puberty”. I lay out a test that doesn’t need a definition because even stupid Webster tied itself into knots. It’s not my fault you aren’t savvy enough to comprehend things.

 

[Grace T.]

Then I go back to my argument to open up the third other gender category. It’s always been male and female for thousands of years. The neo liberals want to come and redefine reality to invent new sex genders outside of the natural binary gender that the Mammalian class naturally produces then recognize the other gender category in sports since trans numbers for this new generation are about 20% that equates to millions of trans now within that generation just in the USA alone. Why are they so quick to hide under the cisgender women umbrella? But they are so fast to identify as trans when its convenient

Depends on the function. Bathroom are an entirely different test (penis/no penis). I think in sports where it matters, where there is undue influence caused by male puberty, where such influence cannot be corrected for and where there is sufficient mass, a third “open” category (open to all except xy men on testosterone, including ftm, mtf, intersex, hormonal imbalanced women, hormonal imbalanced men, nonbinary xx, and any xx that want to play) might be worth experimenting with. I agree there are only two genders…gender is not a spectrum…that said there are pegs which imperfectly fit into the 2 holes every once in a while.

 

[watfly]

Depends on the function. Bathroom are an entirely different test (penis/no penis). I think in sports where it matters, where there is undue influence caused by male puberty, where such influence cannot be corrected for and where there is sufficient mass, a third “open” category (open to all except xy men on testosterone, including ftm, mtf, intersex, hormonal imbalanced women, hormonal imbalanced men, nonbinary xx, and any xx that want to play) might be worth experimenting with. I agree there are only two genders…gender is not a spectrum…that said there are pegs which imperfectly fit into the 2 holes every once in a while.

This question is just for clarity purposes only and not an intent to continue a debate:

Given what we have currently with men's and women's sports only, would you allow a post-puberty transitioned MTF compete in competitive women's sports? Would you allow a DSD female (xx) with an elevated level of testosterone compete in competitive women's sports (without being required to take T reducing hormones)?

I'm a no, yes. Based on your comments, I believe you're no, no, but I'm not entirely sure.

 

[Grace T.]

This question is just for clarity purposes only and not an intent to continue a debate:

Given what we have currently with men's and women's sports only, would you allow a post-puberty transitioned MTF compete in competitive women's sports? Would you allow a DSD female (xx) with an elevated level of testosterone compete in competitive women's sports (without being required to take T reducing hormones)?

I'm a no, yes. Based on your comments, I believe you're no, no, but I'm not entirely sure.

I’m a usually no for adults (4 questions: does it matter (intramural quidditch)?; is there undue advantage (horse back riding, rhythmic gymnastics, shooting); can you correct for it (the science seems to be coming back no in most cases but see ping pong, fencing…definitely been established in track, swimming and fighting sports); is there an alternative that’s fair to the excluded (I think there should be)) and no (but there should be a third category if they don’t want to reduce).

 

[Karlton Athletic]

Well at least all this “if you’re born with a penis, you’re a man, if not you’re a woman” talk means the Algerian boxer is no longer controversial.

 

[Veritas]

Let's say you had a son that you named Samuel from the character in the Bible. You called him Sam all his young life and then he says when he's 14, "Dad, I am now Samantha, and I am your daughter Papi. My teacher helped me transition. I love him so much for his counseling and guidance through this difficult journey. I am not your boy anymore pops. Sorry, from now on you will call me Samantha or else." That's basically what is going on. One dad went off on his new daughter and she called the cops and now the State is involved. Kid is 16 so almost adult. A teacher helped him become a girl without the father knowing about it.

Let me leave you with this if you think 16 is good enough… as a minor you can’t get a tattoo for christs sake which is simply ink on your body but it’s ok to chop your nuts and penis off as a minor something is wrong with this whole ideology and its evident there is a sick and twisted agenda behind all these new laws allowing under age kids to decide when they can transition.

 

[espola]

NCAA has at least one completely coed sport --

TCU wins 2024 NC rifle championships

TCU wins the 2024 NC rifle championship. See the two-day championship recap and final results.

www.ncaa.com

Paralympics coed sport --

Wheelchair rugby player makes history as first woman to play on Paralympic team

American Paralympian Sarah Adam is the first woman to play on the U.S. wheelchair rugby team and scored her first point on Thursday. NBC News' Emilie Ikeda reports on Adam's remarkable journey to the sport and the Paralympics in Paris.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[dad4]

Well at least all this “if you’re born with a penis, you’re a man, if not you’re a woman” talk means the Algerian boxer is no longer controversial.

I thought misrepresenting other people’s opinions was Grace’s wheelhouse. You’re stepping on her turf there.

 

[Grace T.]

I thought misrepresenting other people’s opinions was Grace’s wheelhouse. You’re stepping on her turf there.

Pot kettle.