"It doesn't prevent transmission, it doesn't provide immunity" are blatant mistruths when compared to the historical performance of vaccines.
Is it your position that you will answer the question with falsehoods?
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Is it your position that you will answer the question with falsehoods?
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oh lawd - falsehoods? you are too far gone. historical performance of which vaccine? How many international covid waves must you witness before you quit being a sheep?
Your inability to google and post anything of relevence since 2020 is telling. Is it untrue that mRNA technology hasn't been able to prevent transmission and provide immunity? When was the last international, cross border outbreak of polio, measles? Which country last closed its border due to an outbreak.
You still haven't answered the question.
"Adults who are up to date on their shots are 15 times less likely to die from Covid than those who are unvaccinated. Covid vaccines prevented more than 3.2 million deaths and 18.5 million hospitalizations in the U.S. from December 2020 through November 2022, according to an analysis published Tuesday by the Commonwealth Fund and Yale School of Public Health."
Two years after Covid vaccines came out, researchers push for new options (nbcnews.com)
Deeper background --
The tangled history of mRNA vaccines (nature.com)
Two years after Covid vaccines came out, researchers push for new options (nbcnews.com)
Deeper background --
The tangled history of mRNA vaccines (nature.com)
China and mRNA --
"China’s lack of an mRNA shot — and its delay in approving a viable foreign option — has poked holes in Beijing’s victorious pandemic narrative and prompted experts to question whether the country’s go-it-alone approach is less triumphant than officials would have the world believe."
Why China Doesn’t Have an mRNA Vaccine for Covid - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
"China’s lack of an mRNA shot — and its delay in approving a viable foreign option — has poked holes in Beijing’s victorious pandemic narrative and prompted experts to question whether the country’s go-it-alone approach is less triumphant than officials would have the world believe."
Why China Doesn’t Have an mRNA Vaccine for Covid - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Bed Bath & Beyond Bankrupt now. THis is what happens when you treat fe
You have been 100% consistent on your takes regarding the jabs and no falsehood in your writings. This Espola is a loss cause and is going down with the ship, let that sink in
People are now 15 times more likely to die suddenly in their sleep is what I have been hearing and seeing. 90% of the peeps I know who died in 2022 and 2023 died with the jabs. The majority of folks I know who did not participate in this scam are alive and super healthy. Only one died of a heart attack and he was not jabbed, but did eat poorly and did not take care of his only body and he died 100% for bad heath and allowing bad things to enter his only body. Take me for example. I quit eating meat, drink water only (99% of the time) and I eat fruits, veggies and salads. My best pal the Doc told me to my face years ago as did my wife to get my act together and watch what I put in my body and I follow that advice the best I can. I do love sugar and I have to watch out for the sugar high.
WTF is up with these WEFers and their Global Shapers of today? Are you a Global Shaper? Espola & Dad passed the online version of the WEFers Global Community Leaders. Soros put the curriculum together. Soon will shall debate The Globalist vs The Flat Efers. This planet is full of liars, cheats, ass kissers, pay to play rich dads and those WHO deceive others to make a buck. My buddy is feeling sick this year because he believed a big fat lie and because of the big fat lie, he harmed his children with horrible advice. He blames those at the top WHO lie to make a buck and trick others into putting poison in one's blood stream all because.
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this is your homerun? That the vaccines really do stink and that we need to work on better ones? That 60% of dead adults in AUG were vaxxed and boosted? Your approach to public health is curious to say the least. Are you an advocate for vaccinating healthy people - never mind, don't asnwer that.
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Or maybe the chinese are on to something? Why aren't they asking for our large stockpile of bivalent boosters and why aren't we sending what we are sitting on that people aren't taking? Maybe they don't dig negative efficacy?
You didn't read the quoted passage from the article? Here. I'll repeat it again for you --
"Adults who are up to date on their shots are 15 times less likely to die from Covid than those who are unvaccinated. Covid vaccines prevented more than 3.2 million deaths and 18.5 million hospitalizations in the U.S. from December 2020 through November 2022, according to an analysis published Tuesday by the Commonwealth Fund and Yale School of Public Health."
It's becoming a recurring amusement how you will twist your mind to rationalize your previous positions no matter what facts are presented.
Let's see how long we can keep this up.
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ahhh, but ok for you to ignore the other facts in the article. 20-22 huh...hmmm
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I get it now...you answer with gibberish when you don't understand the words displayed on your screen....we have a large stockpile of bivalent boosters..I wonder why. have you taken a peek at negative efficacy?
Please tell me my previous positions and how I've wavered? Old and/or comprimised = vax (vax injury low on totem pole), Young and healthy = no vax (data is clear). Should you boost? pay attention to old/emerging data.
But back to China...
So are you sticking with "It doesn't prevent transmission, it doesn't provide immunity" despite the statistics that say otherwise?
What other facts do you find germane?
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that's a silly question to ask....do they? is the pandemic over? Now, if you rephrase your words to say provide protection for severe disease for some people, you'd feel better and could be taken more seriously. But if you are on the prevention and immunity bandwagon, we have nothing to discuss.
Show me a clinical trial that shows prevention and immunity for a mRNA covid vaccine without significant wane. and spare me the "not all vaccines are 100%" bs. Plenty of vaccines have been developed and deployed that have eradicated disease....mRNA, not so much. If that was the case, canada should be good to go..which they are not.....or pick another mRNA country - your choice.
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luv that word - germane. 60% dead people seemed pretty germane. have you ever wondered what happens when a virus mutates and a vaccine can't keep up? seems pretty obvious to me that the gist of the article said current vaccines suck and can't keep up with mutations. Are you boosted for little O and it's subvariants? Little O isn't the OG, pretty mild, along with it's off springs. Plenty of emerging data that suggests boosting is having an opposite effect and is leaving you with a blind spot for mutating virus. Thank goodness for those crazy b and t cells.
Anyway, alarm was sounded early and emerging data confirming what those crazies thought a year ago.
How to Tell If You're Fully Vaccinated Against COVID-19
Keeping up with COVID-19 booster eligibility can be tough. If you're not sure what "fully vaccinated" means these days, our guide can help.
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luv that word - germane. 60% dead people seemed pretty germane. have you ever wondered what happens when a virus mutates and a vaccine can't keep up? seems pretty obvious to me that the gist of the article said current vaccines suck and can't keep up with mutations. Are you boosted for little O and it's subvariants? Little O isn't the OG, pretty mild, along with it's off springs. Plenty of emerging data that suggests boosting is having an opposite effect and is leaving you with a blind spot for mutating virus. Thank goodness for those crazy b and t cells.
Anyway, alarm was sounded early and emerging data confirming what those crazies thought a year ago.
How to Tell If You're Fully Vaccinated Against COVID-19
Keeping up with COVID-19 booster eligibility can be tough. If you're not sure what "fully vaccinated" means these days, our guide can help.
If you are going to make up your own stats I guess you can justify any position you wish to take.