Vaccine

Hüsker Dü · Jul 12, 2022

kickingandscreaming said:
If only you had thought of that before you lost the thread and responded in the first place you wouldn't need (your) dad to rescue you.

Your inability to follow along is highlighted by your then attempt to blame others for such.

Hüsker Dü · Jul 12, 2022

espola said:
I also posted "not in line with the proportion one would expect from looking at the results of more rational countries", which I assume you saw since you responded to it in your own way.

Lioness eyes?

kickingandscreaming · Jul 12, 2022

Hüsker Dü said:
Your inability to follow along is highlighted by your then attempt to blame others for such.

Yeah, I can't follow along. That's it. No one here is surprised that you two have the same comprehension issue.

Happened again · Jul 12, 2022

Hüsker Dü said:
Cue the “yeah but those countries are different” rhetoric

how are those countries similar?

Grace T. · Jul 12, 2022

dad4 said:
When you say India had a "robust lockdown", how do you twist your narrative to include the BJP rallies and reopening for religious pilgrimages? ( The rallies and opening for religious holidays were both just before their Delta wave. )

Most people would consider tens of millions of people travelling to holy sites to be an example of "not locked down". But to you, it counts as a "robust lockdown".

Perhaps I should visit New Orleans for their Fat Tuesday Lockdown next year. I hear it's a lot of fun.

How is that any different than what Europe did by easing their lockdowns in the summer of 2020 or Japan did by opening up for the Olympics (which they then proceeded to promptly close the borders after)?

or let’s take your favorite topic of masks. Spain had a medical grade mask requirement and robust testing yet did worse on a per capita basis than did Japan which continued to allow cloth masks and had lousy testing. And both pales in comparison to Peru which had rigorous long lasting lockdowns and masks yet somehow ended up worst in the world. Blows the mind…doesn’t it????

N00B · Jul 12, 2022

watfly said:
My gig is the kids. From a Covid deaths perspective for kids how'd we stack up against other countries?

Sounds like you’re right. Age stratification means, to date, little impact for kids. ‘U-littles’ in Soccer parlance.

watfly said:
How'd we do compared to other countries when it comes to interrupting education and development? I'd imagine shitty based on all the reports of falling behind in education and the mental health issues.

Mixed bag… dad4 would say more orphans. He’d be right.

ETOL would blame it on bad parenting.

Crush would call out liars and cheaters/jabs.

espola would ask a question that was not really a question?

Everyone else would reflect on their personal experience and say…That’s not how I expected things to go but we managed.

N00B · Jul 12, 2022

Hüsker Dü said:
Your inability to follow along is highlighted by your then attempt to blame others for such.

“Not all who wonder are Lost”

In this case, that might not be true.

N00B · Jul 12, 2022

EvilGoalie 21 said:
I got called away and wanted to append this. To remember my manners and purpose. You assessed the paper for yourself and came to an informed opinion. That's the way its supposed to work. Thanks.

Best post for some time in this forum to actually encourage analysis and discussion!

kickingandscreaming · Jul 12, 2022

N00B said:
Sounds like you’re right. Age stratification means, to date, little impact for kids. ‘U-littles’ in Soccer parlance.

Mixed bag… dad4 would say more orphans. He’d be right.

ETOL would blame it on bad parenting.

Crush would call out liars and cheaters/jabs.

espola would ask a question that was not really a question?

Everyone else would reflect on their personal experience and say…That’s not how I expected things to go but we managed.

Ha, well done.

Grace T. · Jul 12, 2022

N00B said:
Mixed bag… dad4 would say more orphans. He’d be right.

He’d be mostly wrong and guilty of a gross exaggeration:
a. Covid has always been a disease mostly dangerous to the over 60 crowd which is by far where most of the deaths have occurred. Unless the over 60s we’re doing a trump and having kids later in life, it’s not a very common scenario.
b. Youve got to do a time analysis too. Pre vaccine availability and pre omicron, the disease was much more dangerous to the under 60 crowd. The ifr has radically declined with time so the concern is for a very limited time period covering mostly March 2020-March 2021
c. If we had really cared about making sure kids weren’t orphaned we wouldn’t have forced the essential workers to work during this time period. But we not only kept the markets, medical facilities and pharmacies open, we also had restaurant take out (which dad4 so famously tried to get once a week), bike shops, liquor and pot stores, plumbers and ac people (going into peoples homes), box stores, and bike shops. Yet somehow the teachers weren’t essential. And these people were forced to work so the laptop class like dad and I could hide out in our pjs.

dad4 · Jul 12, 2022

Grace T. said:
How is that any different than what Europe did by easing their lockdowns in the summer of 2020 or Japan did by opening up for the Olympics (which they then proceeded to promptly close the borders after)?

or let’s take your favorite topic of masks. Spain had a medical grade mask requirement and robust testing yet did worse on a per capita basis than did Japan which continued to allow cloth masks and had lousy testing. And both pales in comparison to Peru which had rigorous long lasting lockdowns and masks yet somehow ended up worst in the world. Blows the mind…doesn’t it????

That’s what I mean about the discussion going nowhere:

1- You make a claim about India.

2- I point out that your India claim is horse shit.

3- You change the subject to talk about Spain and Peru.

No exchange of ideas at all. Useless.

Grace T. · Jul 12, 2022

dad4 said:
That’s what I mean about the discussion going nowhere:

1- You make a claim about India.

2- I point out that your India claim is horse shit.

3- You change the subject to talk about Spain and Peru.

No exchange of ideas at all. Useless.

Your claim about India was the lockdowns weren’t robust because they let the religious ceremonies go pre delta. I just pointed out by that measure neither Europe nor Japan had robust lockdowns either. It gives us a secret peak into your mentality (which is what you always dance around): we all know your preferred solution has always been australia/nz. I suspect China was too far for you but you would have been more ok with China than what the us did and perfectly happy with the China lite that Vietnam and Singapore implemented. But you’ll dance around it…speaking of useless conversations….because you always prefer to preach rather than to say what constructive solutions you would have preferred…especially (which was the original point) that asias policies were all over the place yet mainland Asia and Japan all got to similar places but India and the Philippines did not

crush · Jul 12, 2022

dad4 said:
That’s what I mean about the discussion going nowhere:

1- You make a claim about India.

2- I point out that your India claim is horse shit.

3- You change the subject to talk about Spain and Peru.

No exchange of ideas at all. Useless.

That is Espola speak right there. I need you guys here tomorrow. I want all you Bots at 7am ready to go. All at the same time.

crush · Jul 12, 2022

I have to go to sleep now and get rest for tomorrow's big day. I love you all and thank you again for all the likes, laughs and my many kind PMs and text from my supporters. No one is threatening me anymore, which makes me feel loved and not hated by the top Elites. I know many of us wanted what they have but let me tell you something; they don;t got shit anymore, trust me!!!

Grace T. · Jul 12, 2022

here’s another tid bit since we are relitigating the past. Birxs book confirms the atlas book that the ideas for lockdowns originated with Birx. The inspiration came from what happened in China. Birx persuaded Trump using the precautionary principle to shut down for the 15 days but: a. She knew from the get go it was going to be more than 15 days, and b. She set about using those 15 days to build a case for an extension. In other words, they lied to the public (and trump) over exactly how long it would be and did it deliberately as a political tactic.

crush · Jul 12, 2022

From Mr. F
One of the things that's clear from the data [is] that even though vaccines - because of the high degree of transmissibility of this virus - don't protect overly well, as it were, against infection, they protect quite well against severe disease leading to hospitalization and death. And I believe that's the reason, Neil, why at my age, being vaccinated and boosted, even though it didn't protect me against infection, I feel confident that it made a major role in protecting me from progressing to severe disease. And that's very likely why I had a relatively mild course. So my message to people who seem confused because people who are vaccinated get infected - the answer is if you weren't vaccinated, the likelihood [is] you would have had [a] more severe course than you did have when you were vaccinated.

EvilGoalie 21 · Jul 13, 2022

espola said:
So something like a million dead does not compel you?

If by million you mean "over a million excess deaths associated with C19" than, yes, according to the CDC we crossed that grim milestone in Feb of this year. So the CDC agrees with you. The second link is to the John Hopkins site for C19 mortality per 100K by country. The data for the US and western Europe is probably meaningfully comparable. The data for other countries, more hit and miss. India's data, in particular, is pure bullshit. Delta pounded them hard and the orphan index alone says they are either not collecting the data or not representing it truthfully.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.

www.cdc.gov

Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

EvilGoalie 21 · Jul 13, 2022

N00B said:
Best post for some time in this forum to actually encourage analysis and discussion!

I appreciate the sentiment. It is kind of you to say. But I am not sure I agree with it. The thread generally cycles. And as with everything these days, the topic reflects politicization/overtly external manipulation to form diametric sides, teams, what have you, that generally hope to defeat each other and claim some sort of pyrrhic victory. "I was right about the comet". I come to gauge that and so feel as a participant I should try to contribute maybe something that at least I feel is meaningful, since I hear some of the scientific stuff filtering through the grapevine ahead of time. And if people engage with it honestly that is all one can ask for.

crush · Jul 13, 2022

NASA's new telescope expands probability of intelligent life in space, expert says: 'They're out there'

Yes, they're out there NASA. Gee, I wonder who these Aliens could be?

crush · Jul 13, 2022

My coffee is so strong this morning. However, I will be leaving to work from the beach today and won't be doing any meme's and will be in a bad area for internet so Bot Boy can take over.