Vaccine

EvilGoalie 21 said:
Demand is largely a function of policy and that is not something I'm interested in the context of this thread. There is no point.
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EvilGoalie 21 said:
Partly.
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The belief that consumer demand or decisions, in general, are only "partly" being a function of free will/thought opens the door for authoritarianism in that it implies people must be protected from themselves. It is the justification behind the Ministry of Truth.
 
MicPaPa said:
Where were you the past couple years?

I'd say much needed scientific and medical research was either not conducted or suppressed or both because of politics - h
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Well, part of the time reading posts on this thread. Some of it related to soccer.

As I recall going along one of the things people pointed to on this thread as not being investigated was the durability of infection-acquired vs vaccination-acquired immunity. There was a period of underpowered studies examining humoral immunity that were linked here and people initially jumped up and down and made a big fuss over them. People eventually lost focus on that, but the data has continued to come in. It now appears individual variation in the antibody component of the immune response is much bigger than any difference in the kinetics of antibody decline. There were also claims about vaccination vs infection in preventing disease and long term cellular immunity not being investigated. Those are longer term studies but some are now completed and probably have not been linked here. The upshot is that both can provide durable long term immunity, which is probably the most important thing going forward, at least in terms of immune system vs virus. Only thing is that the durability of immune memory following infection seems to correspond with severity of infection.

If its something else vaccine science related that you think is being suppressed I can look it up cause there is lots of stuff coming all the time.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
The belief that consumer demand or decisions, in general, are only "partly" being a function of free will/thought opens the door for authoritarianism in that it implies people must be protected from themselves. It is the justification behind the Ministry of Truth.
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Too make the claim of intelligent decisions with respect to adult covid vaccine refusal is a bit of a stretch.

There have been far too many hospitalizations for that to be seen as a well informed conscious choice. Misinformation is a better description.
 
dad4 said:
Too make the claim of intelligent decisions with respect to adult covid vaccine refusal is a bit of a stretch.

There have been far too many hospitalizations for that to be seen as a well informed conscious choice. Misinformation is a better description.
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The problem isn't misinformation, it's mistrust.

People regularly make emotional decisions instead of well-informed decisions. A primary cause is a dislike and/or distrust of the messenger. Whatever an unliked/untrusted messenger says, they will do the opposite. People will search for a reason, any reason, to do the opposite. We see many examples of this with Trump or Hillary Clinton. The misinformation will present itself if enough people don't want to believe a message. Again, it's not the misinformation, it's the mistrust that drives this behavior. Stupidity such as the Ministry of Truth will only make it worse. You can't regulate emotional thinking into rational action. The more centralized our governing becomes, the more we'll see "misinformation" issues among individuals that are not led by peers but by "elites" and who feel more and more removed from the decision-making processes.

Elites are going to have to get over that not everyone will bow down to their perceived intellectual and moral superiority. Being "right" doesn't matter if enough people think otherwise. Responding with authoritarian edicts will only increase the divide. Make your case and move on - and get over yourselves.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
The problem isn't misinformation, it's mistrust.

People regularly make emotional decisions instead of well-informed decisions. A primary cause is a dislike and/or distrust of the messenger. Whatever an unliked/untrusted messenger says, they will do the opposite. People will search for a reason, any reason, to do the opposite. We see many examples of this with Trump or Hillary Clinton. The misinformation will present itself if enough people don't want to believe a message. Again, it's not the misinformation, it's the mistrust that drives this behavior. Stupidity such as the Ministry of Truth will only make it worse. You can't regulate emotional thinking into rational action. The more centralized our governing becomes, the more we'll see "misinformation" issues among individuals that are not led by peers but by "elites" and who feel more and more removed from the decision-making processes.

Elites are going to have to get over that not everyone will bow down to their perceived intellectual and moral superiority. Being "right" doesn't matter if enough people think otherwise. Responding with authoritarian edicts will only increase the divide. Make your case and move on - and get over yourselves.
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Where, in all of that, do you have any responsibility to get your facts straight?

The way you tell it, every time I fall some for line of bull shit, all I have to do is say “flawed messenger” and my own actions are no longer my fault.
 
dad4 said:
Where, in all of that, do you have any responsibility to get your facts straight?

The way you tell it, every time I fall some for line of bull shit, all I have to do is say “flawed messenger” and my own actions are no longer my fault.
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Aka “fake news” . . . “If it’s bad I just call it fake!”
 
dad4 said:
Too make the claim of intelligent decisions with respect to adult covid vaccine refusal is a bit of a stretch.

There have been far too many hospitalizations for that to be seen as a well informed conscious choice. Misinformation is a better description.
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I was 100% intelligent about saying no to covid vaccine. My best pal said, "yes" to jab because of fear ((losing his job and house)) and now he has blood clots and is on blood thinner and will live everyday wondering if another clot is roaming through his blood. My other friends sister said "no" to vaccine but became emotional from the peer pressure from dads and brothers like you. She is now dead and the brother who preached like you will not come out of his depression or his room.
 
dad4 said:
Where, in all of that, do you have any responsibility to get your facts straight?

The way you tell it, every time I fall some for line of bull shit, all I have to do is say “flawed messenger” and my own actions are no longer my fault.
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Early on in this plan to destroy our country, the hospitals counted all deaths as Covid deaths if they had the flu with their gun shot to the head. In OC, we all remember a motorcyclist that was brain dead from being killed by a car, was counted as Covid death. All this to get paid triple and ruin our country. So many teachers & Docs are in for the take too. So sad. Great job math teacher preaching all the way to the end.
 
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Hey Dad, "facts are stubborn things. They cannot be altered by our wishes, our inclinations or the dictates of our passion."
John Adams said this years ago.
 
dad4 said:
Where, in all of that, do you have any responsibility to get your facts straight?

The way you tell it, every time I fall some for line of bull shit, all I have to do is say “flawed messenger” and my own actions are no longer my fault.
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Put your big boy pants on and use all that intellect and moral superiority to figure out whether a message and/or the messenger is flawed or not. Of course, you already do it but you are upset that more people don't come to your conclusion. That's really what your complaint is about. Maybe you need to reconsider your dismissal of our leaders' hypocrisy and their dismissal of segments of our population. It matters. Lack of trust in both political leadership and in the media that curates our news drives misinformation. That's where the seeds are planted. The Ministry of Truth is a partisan joke. It hacks at the leaves of the problem while strengthening the root.
 
For those who need to eat crow this morning. Trust me you all, I have had plenty of crow over my years of life on earth and ketchup helps.

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kickingandscreaming said:
Put your big boy pants on and use all that intellect and moral superiority to figure out whether a message and/or the messenger is flawed or not. Of course, you already do it but you are upset that more people don't come to your conclusion. That's really what your complaint is about. Maybe you need to reconsider your dismissal of our leaders' hypocrisy and their dismissal of segments of our population. It matters. Lack of trust in both political leadership and in the media that curates our news drives misinformation. That's where the seeds are planted. The Ministry of Truth is a partisan joke. It hacks at the leaves of the problem while strengthening the root.
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He's getting schooled by unschooled fools like me.....lol


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kickingandscreaming said:
Put your big boy pants on and use all that intellect and moral superiority to figure out whether a message and/or the messenger is flawed or not. Of course, you already do it but you are upset that more people don't come to your conclusion. That's really what your complaint is about. Maybe you need to reconsider your dismissal of our leaders' hypocrisy and their dismissal of segments of our population. It matters. Lack of trust in both political leadership and in the media that curates our news drives misinformation. That's where the seeds are planted. The Ministry of Truth is a partisan joke. It hacks at the leaves of the problem while strengthening the root.
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Ok. Messenger has at least one flaw. Fauci took off his mask at a baseball game.

Now why does that mean I should refuse to do my part to help protect my neighbors?
 
"I think it's very important we have emergencies here (U.S.). We need to have the Covid money ((now!!!)). Time is of the essences because we need the Ukraine money ((now!!)), we need the Covid money, so I hope we can do that. This is called legislation, we're legislating & we'll have to comes to terms with how we do that."

Her own streets are now filled with homeless people who need food and shelter. We need to help these folks asap first before we send $33,000,000,000 to Ukraine. The Streets of San Francisco has turned into place where you can take a dump on the street and the city will come by and pick it up and wash it down for you.
 
Have a great day you guys, I'm going sailing and spear fishing. Listen to this song and all the songs I post. They all have meaning to life and dreams we should all be able to participate in. We can all co-create amazing life together on this planet.

 
crush said:
"I think it's very important we have emergencies here (U.S.). We need to have the Covid money ((now!!!)). Time is of the essences because we need the Ukraine money ((now!!)), we need the Covid money, so I hope we can do that. This is called legislation, we're legislating & we'll have to comes to terms with how we do that."

Her own streets are now filled with homeless people who need food and shelter. We need to help these folks asap first before we send $33,000,000,000 to Ukraine. The Streets of San Francisco has turned into place where you can take a dump on the street and the city will come by and pick it up and wash it down for you.
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Your argument applies even better in 1939. Why were we sending $31,000,000,000 to Britain when our own people were in the middle of the great depression?
 
dad4 said:
Now why does that mean I should refuse to do my part to help protect my neighbors?
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I feel like this proves my point. This is your definition of what others should be doing. Some people don't believe what you believe and you want to force them to do as you believe they should. You and I are not in agreement about the effectiveness of mask mandates. So, tell me, exactly, what disinformation is causing me to think differently about mask mandates than you? Or, could it be that something else is at work here?
 
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