@met61 I misspoke. The athlete I was thinking of was biologically female transitioning to non-binary.
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kickingandscreaming
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Deja vu.
Ask her….
There are several articles and interviews that will answer that question for you.
Oops forgot this one.
Transgender MMA Fighter Fallon Fox Breaks Opponent's Skull - Attack The Back
If you didn’t know about Fallon Fox, she is probably the most well-known transgender female wrestler in the world and is also a former MMA ... <a title="Transgender MMA Fighter Fallon Fox Breaks Opponent’s Skull" class="read-more"...
www.attacktheback.com
met61
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...although important, what they feel is not the issue. We all understand what Truth is...the main issue is where we stand on the Truth.
Do you believe men can be women...or women men? Should men compete in women's sports?
met61
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...the definition of modern is irrelevant...the example of allowing a men to compete in a women's sports is depending on your acceptance of a lie.
met61
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...you answered it again, coward. No need to respond.
met61
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...ok then, not sure how a woman playing in NWSL fits into your below post...so, because of modern day examples of people accepting lies, then what? Forgive me, I may have missed something... maybe, explain how men playing in men's sports and women playing in women's sports "begs a bigger investigation into who should be able to compete and why." You see, the Truth is clear and requires no investigation...it could be one's personal relationship with the Truth that begs the bigger internal investigation. Just a thought.
Some great battle of Truth versus Lie in girls rec soccer?
No. This is the kind of ordinary decision parents and coaches make all the time. When can you be kind, and when do you have to hold a harder line.
So, who decides if the MTF athlete is too good for a rec program? coaches and division coordinator, same as always. You keep an eye on her, and nudge her into the boys side if her level of play is more similar to the boys division. Good programs already do this to nudge top rec players into comp.
There is no collegiate ranking I would consider low skill. All NCAA teams are high skill, and ought to follow original birth certificate + DNA. Lia Thomas should have to compete against the boys.
Second and third place invited fourth place to stand with them. I do not believe they approved of a man in their event.
met61
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...my use of girls rec soccer was going with your analogy in playing loose with the Truth.
Actually, the kind of ordinary decisions parents and coaches make all the time are grounded in boys on boys teams and girls on girls teams. I also believe in being kind...but, being kind is not asking ordinary parents, coaches, and kids to play along with a lie.
The truth is clear and does not require all these other situations and wranglings you put forth and bend to.
In the end, with all due respect, the greatest battle of Truth versus lie is when you, and those like you, use her when referring to a boy.
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Hüsker Dü
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I see you are excited. Do you live in NYC?
Hüsker Dü
DA
Is trump still president?
GoldenGate
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The circumstances in which transgender athletes should or shouldn't be allowed to participate in women's sports is fundamentally a legitimate and reasonable debate. What is neither legitimate nor reasonable, however, is the manner in which people like you and your friends make dehumanizing comments and flat out refuse to even listen to the legitimate arguments being made by the side that you disagree with. It would be one thing if you and your friends simply weighed the pros and cons differently. Instead, you and your transphobic friends are barely capable of anything more than offensive memes, accusing transgender women of cheating although they're complying with NCAA rules, calling them "he", mocking them for having dicks, and make ridiculously stupid arguments about how Webster's dictionary should be the sports rulebook. Although the NCAA has spent tons of time researching the issue and listening to all (reasonable) people, and continues to tweak participation requirements, you and your friends just call them "corrupt" as a pathetic way to just refuse to even listen.
Ironically, the more dehumanizing comments that people like you and your friends make, the more the debate weighs in favor of allowing transgender women to participate in women's sports. People like you make it clear that you aren't open to having a real discussion, you're only open to continuing to treat transgender women like shit. People like you don't get invited to the table for this debate because you don't belong there. The extent of your participation in the decision making process is that the posts and memes that you and your like minded transphobic friends pass around on social media get to be exhibits for the side that supports transgender participation.
GoldenGate
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Oops forgot this one.
Transgender MMA Fighter Fallon Fox Breaks Opponent's Skull - Attack The Back
If you didn’t know about Fallon Fox, she is probably the most well-known transgender female wrestler in the world and is also a former MMA ... <a title="Transgender MMA Fighter Fallon Fox Breaks Opponent’s Skull" class="read-more"...
You're worried that the trans swimmer will break someone's skull at a swim meet? Have you ever been to a swim meet?
If your main safety concern with NCAA sports relates to a transgender woman hurting your daughter on a soccer field, you are losing sleep over the wrong thing. You should be concerned that collegiate football players are 9x more likely to rape or beat women than other students. And that risk is probably much higher if your daughter plays collegiate soccer given a female athlete's closer proximity to the football team. Contrast that to how many collegiate female athletes have been injured by a trans woman. I think the answer to that is zero.
I'll bite again. I happen to agree with this statement. Do you think that 1.5 years after competing as a male and having hormone treatment is sufficient time to justify competing as a male? As I mentioned before I lean towards allowing those that transitioned pre-puberty to compete in women's competitions.
I don't believe Lia Thomas transitioned to beat women in swimming. But I believe she was given a gift to be able to transition (a gift that isn't available to many for various reasons) and now she is exploiting that gift.
Not for all, but for many this isn't an issue of transphobia but an issue of equity.
Desert Hound
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Not transphobic in the least.
What people want to do individually I could care less about.
But when a man wants to compete against women it isnt right. That isnt transphobic. That is a matter of fairness to actual women.
A guy saying he is a woman doesn't make him so. It does not entitle him to compete in womens sports.
It is as ridiculous as me a white guy one day saying I am black and demanding you treat me as such and then get affirmative action, loans for minorities, live in minority dorms on campus, etc.
GoldenGate
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If you're really asking me whether 12 months of hormone therapy and requiring that she meet certain hormone levels in order to compete in women's swimming, I do think that's enough even if it means she still has a "competitive advantage". College sports isn't some sacred thing, and who wins a race in a pool is not nearly as important as the need for society to treat people with dignity and respect in my opinion, and the opinion of those making the rules. If that means one trans woman in history wins a college national championship, fine.
She is not exploiting anything. She is fully complying with the rules set by the NCAA, which has allowed trans women to compete for more than a decade. Maybe the participation requirements should change to be more in line with those required by the IOC, maybe not since it's just a college swim meet and there is much more to college sports than just winning and losing, those are legitimate discussions worth having. Most of those on the other side, however, aren't willing to even refer to her as she let alone refrain from offensive comments. And because too many continue to treat transgender women like shit, the more important it is to provide them with opportunity. The NCAA and I believe that equality has very little to do with who wins a race in a pool.
In response to your "concern" about an MMA fighter breaking someone's skull, that pales in comparison to the safety issues that transgender women face every day. It also has nothing to do with college sports. Regardless, no matter how much people want to parse out sports as some sacred thing, it isn't. It's just one of the million things in life and, accordingly, the NCAA is putting it into context. Trans participation in sports helps normalize transgender status in society overall, so great.
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