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[GoldenGate]

The other side is absolutely prepared to offer a definition: A woman is a person with XX chromosomes and born with a womb. A man is a person with XY chromosomes and born with a penis. There are also a few people who fit neither definition, and are best described as “other”.

This is, more or less, the definition everyone has been using since they first used the words.

It’s not neanderthal thinking. It is just speaking clearly in language normal people use.

And Carville is correct. If the left is talking down to people while the right is talking straight with people, the left is going to lose and the right is going to win.

And if the right is talking down to people, then the right is going to lose and the left is going to win - just like it did. The transphobes here can't have honest conversation about why the NCAA is doing what it is, so they're going to need to stick to gerrymandering to have any hope going forward.

 

[dad4]

Yes there are two-spirits of differing degrees. Reality is a mother fucker for the fix minded.

Not a winning strategy.

Trump will say “the one born with a penis is a man, the one born with pussy is a woman.”

Your guy will say “actually, you need a biology PhD and a law license to figure it out. You fix minded people aren’t smart enough.”

Guess who wins in Nebraska?

 

[GoldenGate]

Not a winning strategy.

Trump will say “the one born with a penis is a man, the one born with pussy is a woman.”

Your guy will say “actually, you need a biology PhD and a law license to figure it out. You fix minded people aren’t smart enough.”

Guess who wins in Nebraska?

So you're going to vote for Trump because the NCAA let a transgender woman swim in a race?

 

[watfly]

I see. So the dictionary does not determine who can and can't swim in a race. So it's the Bible that sets the rules about who can and can't swim in a race, then? The one thing I can't figure out, though, is whether we should stone the transgender swimmer to death before, during or after the race.

I'm going to continue to indulge you today just for fun. I'm pretty sure it's biology that sets the rules. The level of testosterone doesn't determine whether you're male or female. Your chromosomes determine that. This isn't about transgender rights, its about women's rights and exploiting and unfair advantage. Nor is it about discrimination because the individual is not prevented from competing, they just have to compete in the appropriate group. Not unlike why we have age or ability levels for many sports. You can play up but not play down because it creates an advantage in most cases.

When you transition post puberty you can't reverse that. You can't reverse you height, your arm length etc. I'm actually OK with prepuberty transitions competing in their identified gender, but not post puberty. You think you're carrying water for transgenders when in fact there is not universal support among transgenders and their families for MTF athletes competing against women.

Your lack of self awareness continues to infect your posts. You claim its just a race what's the big deal. That same attitude should apply to the trans swimmer. It must be a big deal if she is willing to take an unfair advantage to when a silly race. Do I think they transitioned to win NCAA swim races? No. Do I think they is exploiting that advantage for their benefit? 100%.

 

[dad4]

And if the right is talking down to people, then the right is going to lose and the left is going to win - just like it did. The transphobes here can't have honest conversation about why the NCAA is doing what it is, so they're going to need to stick to gerrymandering to have any hope going forward.

NCAA is afraid of leftist boycotts, so they decided to go along to get along. The big issue for them is avoiding having to pay their athletes in football and basketball. Women’s sport is an afterthought for NCAA, and they just wanted the issue to go away.

Then the female athletes started saying “what the fuck? I spent 15 years working on swimming just so you can put some dude on the podium?”. And they’re right.

There is a middle ground that Cox is looking for. It may mean that most trans and intersex athletes compete wherever they feel most comfortable, and high skill trans and intersex athletes need to shift over to the men’s side. “Congrats, you won two events. You’ll change in the girls room but compete for the boy’s team next week.”

Not perfect, but better than anything else I’ve heard.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Not a winning strategy.

Trump will say “the one born with a penis is a man, the one born with pussy is a woman.”

Your guy will say “actually, you need a biology PhD and a law license to figure it out. You fix minded people aren’t smart enough.”

Guess who wins in Nebraska?

So for you it’s all political?

 

[MicPaPa]

Well done! Nutters usually don’t possess the ability to ad-lib. You sure you aren’t a plant?

I see, in your freakish world "nutters" believe men are men and women are women - and they don't cowardly avoid defining those terms.

BTW Clown, ad-lib this, :•)-|--^<

 

[Hüsker Dü]

NCAA is afraid of leftist boycotts, so they decided to go along to get along. The big issue for them is avoiding having to pay their athletes in football and basketball. Women’s sport is an afterthought for NCAA, and they just wanted the issue to go away.

Then the female athletes started saying “what the fuck? I spent 15 years working on swimming just so you can put some dude on the podium?”. And they’re right.

There is a middle ground that Cox is looking for. It may mean that most trans and intersex athletes compete wherever they feel most comfortable, and high skill trans and intersex athletes need to shift over to the men’s side. “Congrats, you won two events. You’ll change in the girls room but compete for the boy’s team next week.”

Not perfect, but better than anything else I’ve heard.

Not sure if this is truly the wedge issue you think it is. No one cares but a handful of those wishing to compete, those they would compete against and those involved in the outrage machine.
Do I want a man to compete in the women's division? Of course not.
Maybe you would prefer there be a chromosome count rule that determines division?

The Idea of a 'DNA Test' for Transgender People Is Part of a Long, Dark History

Faux science feeds real bias

time.com

 

[Hüsker Dü]

I see, in your freakish world "nutters" believe men are men and women are women - and they don't cowardly avoid defining those terms.

BTW Clown, ad-lib this, :•)-|--^<

Can you cite the test that definitively determines gender?

 

[dad4]

Not sure if this is truly the wedge issue you think it is. No one cares but a handful of those wishing to compete, those they would compete against and those involved in the outrage machine.
Do I want a man to compete in the women's division? Of course not.
Maybe you would prefer there be a chromosome count rule that determines division?

The Idea of a 'DNA Test' for Transgender People Is Part of a Long, Dark History

Faux science feeds real bias

time.com

Chromosome count? It works, but it is overkill. There are very few people for whom their chromosomes do not match the gender identified at birth.
Just use original birth certificates, and have a process for appeal based on DNA.

If you have a better definition, state it.

So for you it’s all political?

Not quite. But the politics lens was the easiest way to help you see how your position looks.

The women athletes affected by this have a valid point. It deserves to be heard instead of just calling people “fixed-minded” or “transphobe”.

 

[met61]

And you are free to point out where I attempted to “dodge, twist, spin, deny and lie”? If you can. Makes for a nice sound bite/rhyme but as I simple have presented scientific research I’m not sure where my deceit lies? Help a brother out and do me a solid by being forthright and earnest.

...not sure how your foolish rules apply to your use of the word "brother", but aside from that... I'll be forthright and earnest: What do you mean when you use the words “man” and “woman”?

 

[met61]

I see. So the dictionary does not determine who can and can't swim in a race. So it's the Bible that sets the rules about who can and can't swim in a race, then? The one thing I can't figure out, though, is whether we should stone the transgender swimmer to death before, during or after the race.

...nope, it is determined by the words, Mens or Womens and/or Boys or Girls proceeding the name of the sport. Much like the categories used on this Youth Soccer Forum...which you creepishly spend way too much time on pushing your depraved lies.

 

[met61]

NCAA is afraid of leftist boycotts, so they decided to go along to get along. The big issue for them is avoiding having to pay their athletes in football and basketball. Women’s sport is an afterthought for NCAA, and they just wanted the issue to go away.

Then the female athletes started saying “what the fuck? I spent 15 years working on swimming just so you can put some dude on the podium?”. And they’re right.

There is a middle ground that Cox is looking for. It may mean that most trans and intersex athletes compete wherever they feel most comfortable, and high skill trans and intersex athletes need to shift over to the men’s side. “Congrats, you won two events. You’ll change in the girls room but compete for the boy’s team next week.”

Not perfect, but better than anything else I’ve heard.

...there is no such thing as half truth, truth has no middle ground...just as lies have no end or satisfaction, just more lies. There is no compromise to truth, it is whole or it is not truth...the only compromised are liars and those who accept and play along with them.

 

[soccersc]

You really think you are clever...you are really that not that smart LOL...idiot, you clearly didn't attend the seminar or have any clue what it was about...if you would have went you wouldn't have written such an ignorant statement that shows you clearly have no idea, just like the rest of your shallow takes, you have no clue. Nice try though, so stupid LOL HAHAHA

Feel free to pay the $5 and send us the video where everyone starts whining about how wearing masks ruined children. Seriously, how emotionally feeble must you be if wearing a mask is too much for you to handle?
[/QUOTE]

bwahahahaha!!!! Dawg, you kill me!! You act like you knew what the Conference was about, like you actually read about it, but you have now idea because you are full of it!!!! You were so off base with what you actually thought it was about and then tried to ricule Crush when you are actually the same way. HAHA maybe you are Crush, who knows!!! LOL you are sad story, you are an emotionally unstable that you have to make up stories to defend you ridiculous takes!!! LOL If you actually knew how to comprehend the conversation you would understand it was never about wearing mask, so stupid, maybe take a minute to read what others are saying. So weak minded you can't even conversate intellectually without making up your own narrative.

 

[MicPaPa]

Chromosome count? It works, but it is overkill. There are very few people for whom their chromosomes do not match the gender identified at birth.
Just use original birth certificates, and have a process for appeal based on DNA.

If you have a better definition, state it.


Not quite. But the politics lens was the easiest way to help you see how your position looks.

The women athletes affected by this have a valid point. It deserves to be heard instead of just calling people “fixed-minded” or “transphobe”.

How brave of you to admit they had a point, let alone a valid one. The key point that seems to escape those of you with this squishy middle ground BS, is they should not be in this position at all, let alone having to have a point about being a woman. The only point that should matter is being, again as you so bravely stated, "women athletes."

 

[dad4]

...there is no such thing as half truth, truth has no middle ground...just as lies have no end or satisfaction, just more lies. There is no compromise to truth, it is whole or it is not truth...the only compromised are liars and those who accept and play along with them.

Suppose a low skill trans kid wants to try rec soccer. Born male, lives as female, no real soccer skills.

Who is harmed if they join a girls rec team?

The kind thing to do is to accommodate their request.

 

[espola]

Suppose a low skill trans kid wants to try rec soccer. Born male, lives as female, no real soccer skills.

Who is harmed if they join a girls rec team?

The kind thing to do is to accommodate their request.

Younger rec teams are often coed anyway.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Chromosome count? It works, but it is overkill. There are very few people for whom their chromosomes do not match the gender identified at birth.
Just use original birth certificates, and have a process for appeal based on DNA.

If you have a better definition, state it.


Not quite. But the politics lens was the easiest way to help you see how your position looks.

The women athletes affected by this have a valid point. It deserves to be heard instead of just calling people “fixed-minded” or “transphobe”.

I just see scared people reacting to things they seem to see through the lens they have been given. Not sure if many in here have said anything about trans rights only that they are cheating somehow? I pretty much agree with your opening paragraph, but who is to say that isn’t what has happened already? Do we know this all just based on what the potential athletes say or has there been testing of some kind? Just not a fan of fear based on biases.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

...not sure how your foolish rules apply to your use of the word "brother", but aside from that... I'll be forthright and earnest: What do you mean when you use the words “man” and “woman”?

Your one dimensionality humors me.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

How brave of you to admit they had a point, let alone a valid one. The key point that seems to escape those of you with this squishy middle ground BS, is they should not be in this position at all, let alone having to have a point about being a woman. The only point that should matter is being, again as you so bravely stated, "women athletes."

In playground terminology are they chicks with dicks or dudes with tits?

 

[Kicker 2.0]

I just see scared people reacting to things they seem to see through the lens they have been given. Not sure if many in here have said anything about trans rights only that they are cheating somehow? I pretty much agree with your opening paragraph, but who is to say that isn’t what has happened already? Do we know this all just based on what the potential athletes say or has there been testing of some kind? Just not a fan of fear based on biases.

So Caitlyn Jenner is also transphobic?