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[Hüsker Dü]

Fair point. But contacts with Russians doesn't mean collusion with Russians. (it seems that a lot of politicians have contacts with Russians, rightly or wrongly) There was no evidence of collusion in those contacts. That could have been determined in fairly short order; however, the entire investigation was propped up by the fake dossier. The amount of time, effort and money spent on a investigation based foundationally on a fake document paid for by Democrats is absurd. (not to say that Trump's attitude didn't exacerbate things).

Here is a fairly even handed treatment of the dossier and the investigation.

The Steele dossier: A reckoning

When it came to light in January 2017, just days before Donald Trump took office, the so-called Steele dossier landed like a bombshell and sent shockwaves around the world with its salacious allegations about Trump and his supposed ties to Russia.

www.cnn.com

You are running off the rightwing narrative. Yes Democrats pressed on the collusion angle and Republicans ran from questions turning a blind eye to any questionable contacts, except Jeff Sessions (was he the first to do the right thing thus becoming an outcast?)

 

[watfly]

You are running off the rightwing narrative. Yes Democrats pressed on the collusion angle and Republicans ran from questions turning a blind eye to any questionable contacts, except Jeff Sessions (was he the first to do the right thing thus becoming an outcast?)

I don't run off narratives, or at least I try not to. I try to evaluate each situation separately. I run off facts. Dossier has widely been discredited? Fact. The dossier provided the context for the investigations? Fact. Was there some smoke due to Trump or his teams connections with Russians, yep but no tangible evidence of collusion from those contacts. The contacts were a molehill, the left used the dossier and their disdain of Trump to make it mountain.

Did you support Trump's 1st impeachment even though the Mueller report didn't find evidence of collusion? If so, that's following the left's narrative.

Trump is guilty of a number of things, but collusion with Russia is not one of them.

 

[espola]

I don't run off narratives, or at least I try not to. I try to evaluate each situation separately. I run off facts. Dossier has widely been discredited? Fact. The dossier provided the context for the investigations? Fact. Was there some smoke due to Trump or his teams connections with Russians, yep but no tangible evidence of collusion from those contacts. The contacts were a molehill, the left used the dossier and their disdain of Trump to make it mountain.

Did you support Trump's 1st impeachment even though the Mueller report didn't find evidence of collusion? If so, that's following the left's narrative.

Trump is guilty of a number of things, but collusion with Russia is not one of them.

The first impeachment was for obstruction of justice, referring to the actions t took to stop the investigation. Why did he do that if there was nothing there?

 

[watfly]

The first impeachment was for obstruction of justice, referring to the actions t took to stop the investigation. Why did he do that if there was nothing there?

Correct and issues related to Ukraine, I'm going to blame Covid brain. He did it because he acts like a child and doesn't like being told what to do, or that's my educated guess. It's also possible he was hiding something else and the left was using wide latitude in their investigations.

 

[espola]

Correct and issues related to Ukraine, I'm going to blame Covid brain. He did it because he acts like a child and doesn't like being told what to do, or that's my educated guess. It's also possible he was hiding something else and the left was using wide latitude in their investigations.

It is also well established that he is a criminal fraudster, so it's not too much of a stretch to believe that he is guilty of treason if he thought there was some profit to be made.

 

[Brav520]

The first impeachment was for obstruction of justice, referring to the actions t took to stop the investigation. Why did he do that if there was nothing there?

the 2 articles in the first one were abuse of power and obstruction of Congress , centered around Ukraine

 

[watfly]

Did you support Trump's 1st impeachment even though the Mueller report didn't find evidence of collusion? If so, that's following the left's narrative.

Never mind, Husker.

 

[Brav520]

Mueller report comes out in 2019 of April. Mueller testifies in late July, he was awful specifically regarding the second half of the report regarding obstruction of justice


support for impeachment was low based on Mueller report , and Mueller”s testimony did them no favors , so Pelosi backed off

 

[Grace T.]

the 2 articles in the first one were abuse of power and obstruction of Congress , centered around Ukraine

It should be noted obstruction of justice and obstruction of Congress are two very different things. You guys can argue whether they are morally equivalently bad but espola is just wrong on this one.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

It should be noted obstruction of justice and obstruction of Congress are two very different things. You guys can argue whether they are morally equivalently bad but espola is just wrong on this one.

So there can be an argument but you have already rendered your judgment. Lol! Always assigning yourself the highest honors . . . did you say you were an only child?

 

[crush]

I run off facts. Dossier has widely been discredited? Fact.
Was there some smoke due to Trump or his teams connections with Russians, yep
Trump is guilty of a number of things, but collusion with Russia is not one of them.

Watfly, you said the pee pee news out of Moscow was all BS, right? No smoke at all bro= not guilty. These men are protecting something. You double speak from the fence you sit on. It spews with middle man BS bro, just honest with you. Your close but not close enough. You just dont like T and it's got you all clogged up in your brain. The last 6 years of ruining most of our lives was a cover to protect the evil these people have done to kids. Do you not see that yet? Most men are scared and full of fear and you will see more and more leaving the planet. Love & Light will rule this place, trust me and you can take that to the investors in your soul

REAKING ... Jean-Luc Brunel, accomplice of Epstein, found dead in French prison.

Imagine that. Let me guess - he "hung himself."

 

[crush]

Take the jabs or else!!!! They told the girls & boys that they could be models some day if they follow their mandates and do as they are told. Sound familiar?

 

[Grace T.]

So there can be an argument but you have already rendered your judgment. Lol! Always assigning yourself the highest honors . . . did you say you were an only child?

Sigh. Let’s give you the remedial version mr no where near a 160 iq:

1. espola said the impeachment was about obstruction of justice. It wasn’t. The second charge was obstruction of Congress (the first was abuse of power). Those are two very different things. He’s just wrong and that’s a fact
2. Whether the two are morally equivalent or not is an opinion, even if they are two different charges (e.g., murder and rape; obstruction of justice and obstruction of Congress).
3. I have no opinion as to the opinion set forth in 2. above.

 

[crush]

The Decision has been made; Russia will invade our most important family, The Ukraine Family. WTF are they hiding over there?

Russia-Ukraine: Kamala Harris in Munich: "Borders shouldn't be 'changed by force': LIVE UPDATES
Vice President Kamala Harris warned Saturday that "significant and unprecedented" consequences would follow if Russian President Vladimir Putin makes the decision to invade Ukraine.

War War War War!!! I have never in my life seen such craziness about Russia Russia Russia. No more jabs, no more mask so now they have to go back to what they love the most......WAR!!!!

 

[dad4]

Grace is arguing about the first impeachment because she knows there is no way she can defend the second.

The dude raised a mob to violently overturn a presidential election, and he did it on live TV.

We don't need to quibble about which kind of legal obstruction is which. Trump's later actions made it moot.

 

[Desert Hound]

A lot of us have daughters.

Have guys who want to be women and compete against women is just wrong.

Look at the "champ" and how far ahead he was of the women he was competing against.

There is a reason long ago they created womens divisions. To have men now compete in them is a disgrace.

Congrats to trans Ivy League swimming champ Lia Thomas for defeating a biological female in the 500 free (and setting a new record!) [video]

twitchy.com

 

[espola]

Grace is arguing about the first impeachment because she knows there is no way she can defend the second.

The dude raised a mob to violently overturn a presidential election, and he did it on live TV.

We don't need to quibble about which kind of legal obstruction is which. Trump's later actions made it moot.

Grace's response, while legalistically correct as far as it goes, ignores the attached question. If there was nothing there, why the effort to obstruct?

 

[crush]

Grace's response, while legalistically correct as far as it goes, ignores the attached question. If there was nothing there, why the effort to obstruct?

On the front lines of the this big war. Take cover men!!!

 

[crush]

 

[Grace T.]

Grace is arguing about the first impeachment because she knows there is no way she can defend the second.

The dude raised a mob to violently overturn a presidential election, and he did it on live TV.

We don't need to quibble about which kind of legal obstruction is which. Trump's later actions made it moot.

I’m not arguing anything about this first impeachment other than espola was wrong in his characterization.

I do have an opinion and think the second was wrong. He didn’t order the mob to seize the capitol. He told them to go home. There’s nothing in his words that would suggest an order towards violent insurrection as opposed to loud but peaceful protest. I think you could impeach him for delaying calls to shut down the thing once it turned violent but then you’d have to hoist Pelosi and the capitol police for being woefully unprepared and poorly executing the response (in some cases with police welcoming in the protestors into the capitol). if he ordered or told pence to overrule the election I think you could do it for that too but you’d need pence to testify. Finally Idont Think you can impeach him after the fact…once he left office it was done. Also just becausecertain behavior isn’t impeachable doesn’t mean it’s not awful.

you’ve gone over to your buddies and gone full troll haven’t you? How far you’ve fallen from the thoughtful, mild mannered yet fearful guy from 2020. Covid really did a number on you.