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Grace T. said:
Kinda hard to make out that case when Whoopi Goldberg is being protected despite saying the Nazis weren't white supremacists and saying the Nazis weren't racist because Jewish people are white. Then she doubles down on Colbert and issues only a half apology. If you are going to hold Rogan to account for what his guests might say (so far as far as I'm aware the responsibility he's taken is for not offering more balanced views, debate, and better questioning), you have to hold Goldberg to account for doing something far worse.
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It's hard to think of another way to piss off both Jews and Nazis in one breath.
 
Grace T. said:
Kinda hard to make out that case when Whoopi Goldberg is being protected despite saying the Nazis weren't white supremacists and saying the Nazis weren't racist because Jewish people are white. Then she doubles down on Colbert and issues only a half apology. If you are going to hold Rogan to account for what his guests might say (so far as far as I'm aware the responsibility he's taken is for not offering more balanced views, debate, and better questioning), you have to hold Goldberg to account for doing something far worse.
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Who here is protecting Whoopi? What does Whoopi have to do with Rogan? More importantly, who here actually watches The View?
 
Kicker 2.0 said:
Anyone else remember the campaign to shut down all Sports because of the Covid Myocarditis concerns?

Now that concern is minimized when it comes to Myocarditis as a side effect of the vaccine.
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I do. And there is one person still on this forum that...

When talks about sports re-opening was very concerned about myocarditis.

Today? When there are talks about myocarditis related to the vaxx dismisses it.
 
NorCalDad said:
Who here is protecting Whoopi? What does Whoopi have to do with Rogan? More importantly, who here actually watches The View?
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Dad4's position was a host can and should be held accountable for the statement of his guests because the host is acting as an editor.

Whoopi Goldberg has not (yet....though we should probably start a pool) been held accountable for comments which are far worse which she herself has made. Neither has Colbert....who allowed Whoopi on the show where such statements were also uttered.

Makes some of us think that the thing some of you mean is that, according to my handy dandy Orwellian translator, "people who disagree with me or who allow others on their show that disagree with me should be punished because they are fringe, but people who agree with me or who allow others on their show that agree with me should be excused if they utter a mea culpa because they are on the side of truth and justice"

Otherwise:
1. Do you believe that Rogan's content needs to be policed better?
2. If so, no doubt Whoopi Goldberg needs to be punished (by at least a suspension if she gives a true apology, otherwise a dismissal)?
and 3. No doubt Colbert needs to be subjected to the same punishment for not exercising editorial discretion and allowing her to utter the same on his show?
 
Grace T. said:
Dad4's position was a host can and should be held accountable for the statement of his guests because the host is acting as an editor.

Whoopi Goldberg has not (yet....though we should probably start a pool) been held accountable for comments which are far worse which she herself has made. Neither has Colbert....who allowed Whoopi on the show where such statements were also uttered.

Makes some of us think that the thing some of you mean is that, according to my handy dandy Orwellian translator, "people who disagree with me or who allow others on their show that disagree with me should be punished because they are fringe, but people who agree with me or who allow others on their show that agree with me should be excused if they utter a mea culpa because they are on the side of truth and justice"

Otherwise:
1. Do you believe that Rogan's content needs to be policed better?
2. If so, no doubt Whoopi Goldberg needs to be punished (by at least a suspension if she gives a true apology, otherwise a dismissal)?
and 3. No doubt Colbert needs to be subjected to the same punishment for not exercising editorial discretion and allowing her to utter the same on his show?
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But that would be holding everyone to the same standard and that’s not fair! ****sarcasm*****
 
Grace T. said:
Dad4's position was a host can and should be held accountable for the statement of his guests because the host is acting as an editor.

Whoopi Goldberg has not (yet....though we should probably start a pool) been held accountable for comments which are far worse which she herself has made. Neither has Colbert....who allowed Whoopi on the show where such statements were also uttered.

Makes some of us think that the thing some of you mean is that, according to my handy dandy Orwellian translator, "people who disagree with me or who allow others on their show that disagree with me should be punished because they are fringe, but people who agree with me or who allow others on their show that agree with me should be excused if they utter a mea culpa because they are on the side of truth and justice"

Otherwise:
1. Do you believe that Rogan's content needs to be policed better?
2. If so, no doubt Whoopi Goldberg needs to be punished (by at least a suspension if she gives a true apology, otherwise a dismissal)?
and 3. No doubt Colbert needs to be subjected to the same punishment for not exercising editorial discretion and allowing her to utter the same on his show?
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Is Whoopi’s opinion killing people?
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Is Whoopi’s opinion killing people?
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Nope, just killing people's brain cells. Are Rogan's guests' opinions killing people? No more than car salesmen are killing people I would suspect.

Whoopi's comments didn't offend me, I don't even think they were that racist. Ignorant and stupid, 100% yes. How about we just let these talking heads say whatever they want instead of holding them to a particular narrative and cancelling them if they go astray. Let the public decide to turn the channel. I think that's what we call free speech.

Why, as a society do we have always have to be outraged about what someone said?
 
watfly said:
Nope, just killing people's brain cells. Are Rogan's guests' opinions killing people? No more than car salesmen are killing people I would suspect.

Whoopi's comments didn't offend me, I don't even think they were that racist. Ignorant and stupid, 100% yes. How about we just let these talking heads say whatever they want instead of holding them to a particular narrative and cancelling them if they go astray. Let the public decide to turn the channel. I think that's what we call free speech.
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Are you saying Covid misinformation is harmless?
 
Grace T. said:
It's making light of the worst massacre in human history where millions of people lost their loved ones and which unlike COVID was entirely avoidable. What are you some kind of Nazi??? Do you hate Jewish people??? You a racist????? You seriously saying the holocaust was no big deal???????????
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My sarcasm detector just went off!

Are you saying Covid misinformation is harmless?

. . . but antisemitism is harmful? You ever go to a trump rally?
 
Now while people bitch about Rogan...

Here is a story about a top Wash Post reporter.

She has been reporting on the FBI, matters related to the Clintons, etc.

All while her husband works for the FBI and has dealing with the Clintons.

So partisan reporting going on. The post knew about it, but did nothing.

Happens all the time.

But Rogan.....!!!!

www.realclearinvestigations.com

Conflict of Interest: New Washington Post National Editor Recused From FBI Coverage

The Washington Post has recused its new national editor, Matea Gold, from the news organization’s coverage of the FBI and Justice Department over a personal conflict of interest. A month before
www.realclearinvestigations.com www.realclearinvestigations.com
 
Grace T. said:
Dad4's position was a host can and should be held accountable for the statement of his guests because the host is acting as an editor.

Whoopi Goldberg has not (yet....though we should probably start a pool) been held accountable for comments which are far worse which she herself has made. Neither has Colbert....who allowed Whoopi on the show where such statements were also uttered.

Makes some of us think that the thing some of you mean is that, according to my handy dandy Orwellian translator, "people who disagree with me or who allow others on their show that disagree with me should be punished because they are fringe, but people who agree with me or who allow others on their show that agree with me should be excused if they utter a mea culpa because they are on the side of truth and justice"

Otherwise:
1. Do you believe that Rogan's content needs to be policed better?
2. If so, no doubt Whoopi Goldberg needs to be punished (by at least a suspension if she gives a true apology, otherwise a dismissal)?
and 3. No doubt Colbert needs to be subjected to the same punishment for not exercising editorial discretion and allowing her to utter the same on his show?
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The way you argue is so incredibly strange. What makes you think @dad4 is willing to give Whoopi a free pass? You do this regularly. You deflect the conversation with the hopes that that deflection will somehow sow seeds of doubt in the original discussion. It's just a really weird way to argue things. Whoopi has nothing to do with Joe Rogan. If you want to discuss Whoopi, bring it up separately. I for one would stop watching The View if I did and hope that she would be held accountable. I'm sure the pressure will continue to come her way and we will eventually see a faux public apology. I mean Rogan would've never apologized or put out that video had it not been for the pressure put on Spotify.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
My sarcasm detector just went off!

Are you saying Covid misinformation is harmless?

. . . but antisemitism is harmful? You ever go to a trump rally?
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Aren't you all the ones that are always saying racism is the worst and most evil thing ever?

Does that mean now that cloth masks have been proven to be worthless (I believe the words used being bandied about are "facial decorations") we can throw dad4 in the gulag for having spread COVID misinformation?

All I'm saying is that you got to treat it all the same. Either it's all o.k. or none of it is. Whoopi spread outright Holocaust misinformation. Colbert let her. Either you hold the 2 to the same standard and we can have a rational discussion about whether these standards are even warranted, or you can shut your hypocritical cakehole because you've undermined your entire credibility about having a rational discussion about it.

p.s. I'm sure there are examples of antisemitic conduct at Trump rallies (again, not a Trump fan). I do point out Ivanka and Jared (also not my favorite people) are Jewish.
 
NorCalDad said:
The way you argue is so incredibly strange. What makes you think @dad4 is willing to give Whoopi a free pass? You do this regularly. You deflect the conversation with the hopes that that deflection will somehow sow seeds of doubt in the original discussion. It's just a really weird way to argue things. Whoopi has nothing to do with Joe Rogan. If you want to discuss Whoopi, bring it up separately. I for one would stop watching The View if I did and hope that she would be held accountable. I'm sure the pressure will continue to come her way and we will eventually see a faux public apology. I mean Rogan would've never apologized or put out that video had it not been for the pressure put on Spotify.
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Me? You are the one that always bemoans a lack of balance and the partisanship?

I'm just calling for things to be treated equitably under the same standard. My preference would be for Whoopi/Colbert/Rogan to be allowed to do whatever they want in the open spirit of leaving it all out there and having people make up their own mind. But if you are going to go after one, you have to go against the other. You cannot in good conscience campaign to cancel Rogan, but leave Whoopi and Colbert off the hook, particularly if dad4's editorial standard is the one to be exercised.

Or as South Park so famously put it: "it's either all o.k., or none of it is."
 
Grace T. said:
Dad4's position was a host can and should be held accountable for the statement of his guests because the host is acting as an editor.

Whoopi Goldberg has not (yet....though we should probably start a pool) been held accountable for comments which are far worse which she herself has made. Neither has Colbert....who allowed Whoopi on the show where such statements were also uttered.

Makes some of us think that the thing some of you mean is that, according to my handy dandy Orwellian translator, "people who disagree with me or who allow others on their show that disagree with me should be punished because they are fringe, but people who agree with me or who allow others on their show that agree with me should be excused if they utter a mea culpa because they are on the side of truth and justice"

Otherwise:
1. Do you believe that Rogan's content needs to be policed better?
2. If so, no doubt Whoopi Goldberg needs to be punished (by at least a suspension if she gives a true apology, otherwise a dismissal)?
and 3. No doubt Colbert needs to be subjected to the same punishment for not exercising editorial discretion and allowing her to utter the same on his show?
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Nice to see that so many people are telling me what my opinion is.

Grace got it right. Part of the job of a host is to exercise editorial judgement when selecting guests. If you are the host, you are actively choosing which voices to raise.

If you fail to exercise that judgment, then you are not being a very good host. Both Rogan and Colbert deserve criticism on this.

Goldberg is in a completely different category. She is no longer fit to be the host of a show.
 
Grace T. said:
Aren't you all the ones that are always saying racism is the worst and most evil thing ever?

Does that mean now that cloth masks have been proven to be worthless (I believe the words used being bandied about are "facial decorations") we can throw dad4 in the gulag for having spread COVID misinformation?

All I'm saying is that you got to treat it all the same. Either it's all o.k. or none of it is. Whoopi spread outright Holocaust misinformation. Colbert let her. Either you hold the 2 to the same standard and we can have a rational discussion about whether these standards are even warranted, or you can shut your hypocritical cakehole because you've undermined your entire credibility about having a rational discussion about it.

p.s. I'm sure there are examples of antisemitic conduct at Trump rallies (again, not a Trump fan). I do point out Ivanka and Jared (also not my favorite people) are Jewish.
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So you roll right into what Norcaldad pointed out as your debate strategy? Lol! As if to exemplify it!

trump, although history shows otherwise, isn’t necessarily a racist, but uses it/them for his own devices. His adoring base basically ignores/disregards everything trump about trump and project upon him what they want him to be.
 
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