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espola said:
"All that crap, you're putting it in the paper? It's all been denied. Katie Graham's gonna get her tit caught in a big fat wringer if that's published. Good Christ! That's the most sickening thing I ever heard."

Attorney General John Mitchell. 1972.

Socratic question -- what is there past tense of the verb "to wring"?
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One can't even give you a compliment without you ruining it.
 
Grace T. said:
Story time (yeah I know espola). You heard about that some school districts are trying to remove "To Kill a Mocking Bird" from the school curric? They already did it to a lot of Twain works on the grounds that it has insensitive language and how would a person of African American descent feel having to be forced to read the "n" work, perhaps even outloud in class. Conservatives are complaining loudly this is censorship particularly since they are established and famous works of literature central to the pantheon of good books.

The little known fact is this is happening from the right too. The left has especially made a curriculum push to include more diverse works from diverse authors. Some of this, though, has some graphic or explicit content (as a lot of modern works do) that people on the right complain about exposing kids and their sensitive ears. For example, "Handmaid's Tale", "Diary of a Part Time Indian", and some others came under attack by conservatives in our local district for the same reason and caused a huge controversy in front of the school board (ultimately leading to the conservatives who had a 3 to 2 advantage on the board losing a seat and swinging the board when the teachers union went all in against one of the candidates).

Interestingly, a lot of the arguments degenerated into trust the experts (in this case the teacher's union and curriculum experts) v. let parents make the decision, much like COVID. The problem is we as a society no longer agree on what is acceptable speech or acceptable reading in polite company, hence we get these clashes (much like Whoopi and Colbert get a pass because they are on the side of right and justice, but Rogan doesn't because he's on the side dangerous misinformation). It even extends to morals and behavior (BLM rallies good and o.k. during lockdown but Trump rallies no, Clinton's conduct is forgivable but Trump is a dangerous cad),
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None of my lefty friends (personal or FB) wants to ban any books. My righty friends (ditto) are divided.
 
Grace T. said:
One can't even give you a compliment without you ruining it.
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Sorry you think that. I can't see the word or picture without my mind ringing (not wringing) the memory bell of JM's statement.

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'You tell your publisher, tell Katie Graham she's gonna get her tit caught in a big wringer...' - All the President's Men

John Mitchell: [on phone] You tell your publisher, tell Katie Graham she's gonna get her tit caught in a big wringer if that's published. Ben Bradlee: [later] He really said that about Mrs. Graham? Carl Bernstein: [nods] Ben Bradlee: Well, I'd cut the words "her tit" and print it. Carl...
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espola said:
Rogan's not a journalist, but he plays one on the internet.
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That's just silly. He has plenty of journalist on though. Why is everyone so scared of rogan? Why is he so threatening to people. It seems no one has the cojoners to go on his show and carry water for everyone who is scared. I'm pretty sure he would welcome any talking head to come on his show.
 
what-happened said:
That's just silly. He has plenty of journalist on though. Why is everyone so scared of rogan? Why is he so threatening to people. It seems no one has the cojoners to go on his show and carry water for everyone who is scared. I'm pretty sure he would welcome any talking head to come on his show.
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You know the reason...Dr. Sanjay Gupta. The narrative does not survive the questioning. CNN had to do damage control after Gupta's appearance. In fairness, the Rogan show is a grind and gives a lot of time to be made foolish of (same critique was levelled on this forum against Jordan Peterson after all). It's a long time to stay focused and not all of it is going to be gems.

Rogan has said he invited Dr. Fauci to appear. Given Rogan's antivax following, you'd think Dr. Fauci would welcome the opportunity to directly appeal to the antivaxxers and bring them into the light. Of course Dr. Fauci is busy fighting the pandemic, but given the chance to change minds, you'd wonder why Dr. Fauci wouldn't go on?
 
Kicker 2.0 said:
Shows your ignorance…he doesn’t claim to be a journalist, just a curious person with a platform to broadcast interesting conversations, otherwise known as ENTERTAINMENT.
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Just like faux news, Fox News Entertainment . . . NOT intended to be used for factual information.
 
Grace T. said:
You know the reason...Dr. Sanjay Gupta. The narrative does not survive the questioning. CNN had to do damage control after Gupta's appearance. In fairness, the Rogan show is a grind and gives a lot of time to be made foolish of (same critique was levelled on this forum against Jordan Peterson after all). It's a long time to stay focused and not all of it is going to be gems.

Rogan has said he invited Dr. Fauci to appear. Given Rogan's antivax following, you'd think Dr. Fauci would welcome the opportunity to directly appeal to the antivaxxers and bring them into the light. Of course Dr. Fauci is busy fighting the pandemic, but given the chance to change minds, you'd wonder why Dr. Fauci wouldn't go on?
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Hüsker Dü said:
Just like faux news, Fox News Entertainment . . . NOT intended to be used for factual information.
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is that the only network you find fault with? Are you a MSDNC fanboy? CNN doesn't seem to be your cup of tea. Just really wondering how you consume your information. I reckon you probably watch a ton of fox just so you can yell at the tv. My parents do that all the time...hate a certain cable news channel station but play it all day in order to argue with the telly. It's pretty amazing. Good thing they are double vaxxed and boosted.
 
Grace T. said:
You know the reason...Dr. Sanjay Gupta. The narrative does not survive the questioning. CNN had to do damage control after Gupta's appearance. In fairness, the Rogan show is a grind and gives a lot of time to be made foolish of (same critique was levelled on this forum against Jordan Peterson after all). It's a long time to stay focused and not all of it is going to be gems.

Rogan has said he invited Dr. Fauci to appear. Given Rogan's antivax following, you'd think Dr. Fauci would welcome the opportunity to directly appeal to the antivaxxers and bring them into the light. Of course Dr. Fauci is busy fighting the pandemic, but given the chance to change minds, you'd wonder why Dr. Fauci wouldn't go on?
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He's had Gupta on, Osterholm on, Peter Attia. Plenty of smart MDs with their own opinions. His malone show was nicely rebutted section by section nicely by Vinay Prasad - who's been very critical of covid efforts across the board.

Malone and Mcculough tend to lean more opinion and are more dramatic. Some of their stuff is junk medicine, some of it is good.

Instead of trying to bully spotify and rogan, someone should come on the show and present their own stuff. Honestly, I hope rogan soon goes back to more interesting people. For now, he's probably the only game in town when it comes to unbiased and balanced conversation. How times have changed...hippy artists, high on acid used to be anti establishment and pro 1st amendment. Now they've dipped slightly fascist and adolescent.

Fauci would never appear on rogan these days. Early on he may have. Fauci has too many skeletons in his closet now. It's wise if he stays away.
 
watfly said:
What exactly is Joe Rogan's job? Has he ever claimed to be a journalist? Has he ever claimed to be a news reporter?

Seems to me he is a talk show entertainer. While it would be a good idea, he has no obligation to anyone to have a fact checking research team. In fact, I believe his style has appeal because it is free flowing conversation and not scripted with pre-determined and researched questions. I give it no more credibility than my buddies and I sitting around shooting the bull.
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This is exactly what I got from listening to kickers post.
 
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